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Originally posted by whodeyYou're really asking why freedom is a good thing?
But why is that a "good" thing? WHy should aocieity embrace it as good?
Originally posted by utherpendragonYou showed me a quote where the context is removed - the part where he *specifically* talks about the importance of offering a choice. I would LOVE it if you would go that and give a reply. But for some reason you seemed to want that to fade away. Shall I copy and paste it here for you?
No. You do not have a choice w/Obamas plan.I showed you that yesterday.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperNothing was taken out of context,nice try. Dont start lying about that too now. FMF is the wrong one to emulate around here.
You showed me a quote where the context is removed - the part where he *specifically* talks about the importance of offering a choice. I would LOVE it if you would go that and give a reply. But for some reason you seemed to want that to fade away. Shall I copy and paste it here for you?
BTW, I effortlessly destroyed that last thread you made fi ...[text shortened]... claims by a guy who "read" the bill and twiddered his findings. No, I posted the ACTUAL BILL.
Originally posted by whodeymaybe if you stopped wasting money on defence the situation wouldn't be that bad.
The richest country in the world? What about the biggest debt in the world which is $11 trillion and climbing? Ther is more debt than currency it prints. Does anyone have that kind of debt? In fact, the numbers just don't add up as to how this universal haalth care will be paid for. Does anyone care about that or is it enough to say it is a right so we should all have it regardless of the consequences?
Originally posted by whodeySo suppose the government adopt universal coverage and private health care disappears?
So suppose the government adopt universal coverage and private health care disappears? What choice will you then have if you don't care for your universal coverage, for whatever reason? What happens if cap and trade passes and the government steps in and increases your energy costs up to 50%? Will it not cause you to heat and cool your home less whether yo ...[text shortened]... esolve their own problems. Then when the government comes up with a solution you best like it.
Originally posted by whodeyI know that the conservative message may sound crazy in a world in which they print and throw money at all our problems
I know that the conservative message may sound crazy in a world in which they print and throw money at all our problems. In addition, conservative positions that uphold moral beliefs seem equally bizzare I'm sure, especially in a world devoid of such convictions. You may want to cleanse your palate by turning on CNN.
Originally posted by joe beyserThese guys are deliberately acting like they don't know about the new world order
These guys are deliberately acting like they don't know about the new world order. I am probaby the one that listens to mainstream media least and I see it clearly on it. They are openly anouncing it. I'm still with you and so are a lot of folks out there attending the tea parties. More and more people are waking up and these guys will probably be eating ...[text shortened]... anker bailout has schuffled at least 23 trillion out of the country. 11 Trillion is only half.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperOk, aince you will not answer me as to why you think freedom is a good thing, perhaps you can elaborate on how you view peoples freedoms can or should be curtailed to protect others rights. For example, the right to health care. Assuming a one plan fits all for the citizens of the US, is it immoral to take away peoples options that they have now in favor of a mandatory one plan fits all? Is this lack of freedom for the majority of Americans ethical just to cover everyone? Is this the ONLY approach to the issue?
You're really asking why freedom is a good thing?
Originally posted by generalissimoWell finally someone asks instead of merely presuming to know what my moral beliefs are. Of course, I am anti-abortion on the presumption that it is, in fact, a human being. So to deny the unborn their rights to life is immoral. However, the other issue people regularly talk about are gay rights. I take no issue in denying them their rights based upon the premise that they are gay, however, I do take issue with providing them any possible rights that the average Joe may not have just because they claim to be gay.
conservative positions that uphold moral beliefs seem equally bizzare I'm sure, especially in a world devoid of such convictions.
what are you talking about? be specific.
Originally posted by generalissimoyes joe, you're right and everybody else is crazy.
[b]These guys are deliberately acting like they don't know about the new world order
yes joe, you're right and everybody else is crazy. 🙄
They are openly anouncing it.
are you hallucinating?
More and more people are waking up and these guys will probably be eating humble pie within a year.
you guys should write a song ...[text shortened]... the country. 11 Trillion is only half.[/b]
and that is a sign of a world government how?[/b]
Originally posted by zeeblebot"Open Conspiracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)
1 History of the term
2 Conspiracy theories
2.1 Illuminati
2.2 Freemasonry
2.3 Protocols of the Elders of Zion
2.4 Round Table
2.5 Open Conspiracy
2.6 Externalization of the Hierarchy
2.7 End Time
2.8 Fourth Reich
2.9 Alien Invasion
2.10 Brave New World
3 Postulated ...[text shortened]... sm
3.5 Mind control
4 Alleged conspirators
5 Criticism
6 Further reading
7 References