08 Aug 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYeah but if the government takes over everything, like they've been doing then why do you think they will stop ay health care?
Do you?
Both Finland and Germany have universal and private health care co-existing. I'm sure there are more examples.
08 Aug 09
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperlikely the plan would be totally unfeasible if extended to the general public.
I'm not following. The one Congress uses is a government plan. So suddenly the plan would be crap if we extend availability to the general public?
unless we get the chinese to pay for it, to prevent us dumping T-bills.
08 Aug 09
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper1. But you didn't read his thoughts.
1: I read the bill
2: He never advocated for Canadian style universal healthcare AKA "single payer", in fact, he opposed it.
3: He has taken heat from some on the left because he opposes single payer
2. Exactly that's what "universal" means.
3. look at two.
08 Aug 09
Originally posted by daniel58Obama's thoughts don't make laws. Bills submitted through Congress and then signed by the President do.
1. But you didn't read his thoughts.
2. Exactly that's what "universal" means.
3. look at two.
Obama's words have always been in favor of a broader form of Medicare that allows people to make the *choice* of being under that program, buying their own insurance or going through their employer. That is the current bill that is being pushed right now and the one Obama is fighting for.
09 Aug 09
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI have heard allegations that people will be taxed if they forgo health coverage. Is this not correct? In addition, I have heard allegations that although private insurance will not be outlawed directly, provisions in the bill will make sure they cannot compete with the government plan hence everyone will be stuck with this in the end. You know, kinda like WalMart coming into town as they watch small business after small business shut its doors. Then if you don't like what is at WalMart pffft. Oh well, sorry about your luck.
Obama's thoughts don't make laws. Bills submitted through Congress and then signed by the President do.
Obama's words have always been in favor of a broader form of Medicare that allows people to make the *choice* of being under that program, buying their own insurance or going through their employer. That is the current bill that is being pushed right now and the one Obama is fighting for.
No matter if these things be true, one thing is definatly true and that is the numbers just don't add up like Obama would like us to believe. This health care plan will continue to drive up deficits and continue out of control government spending. Although it may be nice not to worry about this short term your grandchildren will not like the consequences of this very much.
Really for me the issue is being stuck with inferior quality insurance as well as continue fiscal irresponsible programs that will bankrupt us all. Of course, if you tell me just to trust you and that my concerns are absurd and not worry about it perhaps it will make me feel better. 😕
09 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeyIf you really want to learn the truth behind most common allegations visit this website.
I have heard allegations that people will be taxed if they forgo health coverage. Is this not correct? In addition, I have heard allegations that although private insurance will not be outlawed directly, provisions in the bill will make sure they cannot compete with the government plan hence everyone will be stuck with this in the end. You know, kinda like ...[text shortened]... nd that my concerns are absurd and not worry about it perhaps it will make me feel better. 😕
http://www.factcheck.org/
They call out both sides on false claims and lies. And the Obama administration is no different. They call them out on misleading overall costs, and certain exaggerations, things like that.
Not only do the call out anybody, regardless of party, they source ALL of their findings. In other words hey don't just say something, they back it up.
09 Aug 09
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperRead my thread about the numbers not tallying up. An independent Congressional comittee was in the opinion that the Obama administration is misleading us all.
If you really want to learn the truth behind most common allegations visit this website.
http://www.factcheck.org/
They call out both sides on false claims and lies. And the Obama administration is no different. They call them out on misleading overall costs, and certain exaggerations, things like that.
Not only do the call out anybody, ...[text shortened]... hey source ALL of their findings. In other words hey don't just say something, they back it up.
09 Aug 09
Originally posted by utherpendragonThat's funny. Because the only examples you've given for what he's "saying" deliberately omits the parts where he talks about offering choices.
no you must be on crack! if you dont have the foresight to see what Obama is saying you are a bigger fool than i thought!