@AThousandYoung saidWell I posted this earlier in this thread .. contries destroyed, damaged or in some way negatively affected by Islam. ... ie people killed in large numbers, lifestyles changed drastically.
I’m sure you have a very imaginative definition of “destroyed” and it would be a waste of time to pursue the topic.
Several countries have experienced significant suffering under Islamic rule or due to violent Islamist extremism, both historically and in recent decades. The nature of this suffering has ranged from military conquest and loss of sovereignty to civil war, terrorism, and persecution of religious or ethnic minorities. Here is a summary based on historical and contemporary evidence:
Historical Suffering Under Islamic Rule
Byzantine and Sasanian Empires: The early Muslim conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries led to the collapse of the Sasanian Empire and major territorial losses for the Byzantine Empire. These conquests resulted in dramatic political, social, and religious changes for the conquered populations, including changes in governance, language, and law.
Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal): The Muslim conquest of Iberia in the 8th century replaced Christian rule with Islamic governance for several centuries, leading to profound cultural and religious transformation.
North Africa and the Middle East: Indigenous populations in North Africa and the Middle East experienced Arabization and Islamization following the conquests, which often involved military campaigns, population displacement, and changes to local customs and religions.
Modern Suffering Due to Violent Islamist Extremism
According to global extremism monitors and conflict research, the following countries have suffered most from violent Islamist extremism in recent years:
Country Nature of Suffering
Syria Civil war, mass killings, terrorism, and sectarian violence.
Iraq Sectarian conflict, ISIS occupation, terrorist attacks.
Afghanistan Taliban rule, ongoing insurgency, civilian casualties.
Somalia Al-Shabaab insurgency, terror attacks, instability.
Nigeria Boko Haram insurgency, mass abductions, violence.
Yemen Civil war, Houthi insurgency, humanitarian crisis.
Mali Islamist insurgency, displacement, violence.
Egypt Terror attacks, Sinai insurgency.
Libya Civil conflict, ISIS and other Islamist groups.
Pakistan Terrorism, sectarian violence.
Muslims themselves are often the primary victims of violent Islamist extremism, with the majority of attacks and fatalities occurring in Muslim-majority countries.
Persecution of Religious Minorities
In some Muslim-majority countries, apostasy and blasphemy laws have led to the persecution of Christians, atheists, and other minorities. Countries where apostasy from Islam is a capital offense include Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, among others.
Summary
Countries that have suffered under Islam, whether through historical conquest or modern violent extremism, include:
Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan
Somalia
Nigeria
Yemen
Mali
Egypt
Libya
Pakistan
Regions of the former Byzantine and Sasanian Empires
Iberian Peninsula (historically)
North Africa and the Middle East (historically)
The suffering has taken many forms, from political and cultural upheaval in the wake of conquest, to modern-day terrorism, civil war, and persecution of minorities.
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@Rajk999 saidImagine the list we could make about the countries that Christian empires and countries have “destroyed, damaged or negatively influenced”!
Well I posted this earlier in this thread .. contries destroyed, damaged or in some way negatively affected by Islam. ... ie people killed in large numbers, lifestyles changed drastically.
Several countries have experienced significant suffering under Islamic rule or due to violent Islamist extremism, both historically and in recent decades. The nature of this suffe ...[text shortened]... aval in the wake of conquest, to modern-day terrorism, civil war, and persecution of minorities.
How do you define “country” by the way? Cliff keeps insisting Mexico wasn’t a country until the 19th century so I’m not sure how the Iberian Peninsula counts as one.
@AThousandYoung saidDont imagine .. tell me the countries Christian empires have destroyed, damaged or negatively influenced .. .. Im waiting.
Imagine the list we could make about the countries that Christian empires and countries have “destroyed, damaged or negatively influenced”!
How do you define “country” by the way? Cliff keeps insisting Mexico wasn’t a country until the 19th century so I’m not sure how the Iberian Peninsula counts as one.
@Rajk999 saidIs this from Chat GPT?
Well I posted this earlier in this thread .. contries destroyed, damaged or in some way negatively affected by Islam. ... ie people killed in large numbers, lifestyles changed drastically.
Several countries have experienced significant suffering under Islamic rule or due to violent Islamist extremism, both historically and in recent decades. The nature of this suffe ...[text shortened]... aval in the wake of conquest, to modern-day terrorism, civil war, and persecution of minorities.
Here's what ChatGPT says about Christianity:
What countries has Christianity destroyed, damaged or had a negative influence on?
ChatGPT said:
Christianity, like many powerful ideologies and religions, has had a complex and wide-ranging impact on societies around the world. Its influence has been both positive and negative, depending on the context, the time period, and how it was implemented. When examining negative impacts, it's important to distinguish between the teachings of Christianity and the actions of institutions or individuals operating under its banner. Here are some examples where Christianity—or more precisely, the actions of Christian institutions, missionaries, or states—have had damaging effects:
1. Indigenous Cultures in the Americas
Regions Affected: North, Central, and South America
Negative Impacts:
Christian missionaries and colonial powers (Spain, Portugal, Britain, France) contributed to the destruction of indigenous religions, cultures, and languages.
In the U.S., Canada, and Australia, Christian-run residential schools forcibly removed children from their families and attempted to assimilate them, often using abusive methods.
Mass killings, land theft, and cultural erasure were often justified with Christian theological frameworks (e.g., "saving souls" or the "Doctrine of Discovery"😉.
2. Africa (During Colonialism)
Regions Affected: Sub-Saharan Africa
Negative Impacts:
Christianity was often used to justify European colonialism, portraying African cultures as "pagan" or "savage."
Missionaries often undermined local traditions and promoted Western norms under the guise of spiritual salvation.
In some cases, collaboration between missionaries and colonial governments led to suppression of local governance and identity.
3. Europe (Medieval to Modern Times)
Examples:
The Spanish Inquisition and witch hunts across Europe led to torture, executions, and societal repression, often targeting women and minorities.
The Protestant-Catholic conflicts (e.g., Thirty Years’ War) resulted in massive death tolls and devastation in places like Germany.
Christian anti-Semitism laid groundwork for systemic discrimination and violence against Jews for centuries, including during the Holocaust.
4. The Philippines
Impact:
Spanish colonization imposed Catholicism, resulting in the erasure of precolonial belief systems.
Christianity became a vehicle for Spanish control, entwining religion with elite rule.
While Catholicism remains deeply embedded, the process involved forced conversions and suppression of local culture.
5. Pacific Islands (e.g., Hawaii, Polynesia)
Impact:
Christian missionaries were often agents of cultural change and Westernization.
They contributed to the suppression of indigenous religions, art, and traditional practices (like hula or tattooing).
In some cases, this paved the way for colonial takeover (e.g., the annexation of Hawaii by the U.S.).
@AThousandYoung saidAncient history. Nobody cares about that.
Is this from Chat GPT?
Here's what ChatGPT says about Christianity:What countries has Christianity destroyed, damaged or had a negative influence on?
ChatGPT said:
Christianity, like many powerful ideologies and religions, has had a complex and wide-ranging impact on societies around the world. Its influence has been both positive and negative, depend ...[text shortened]... ases, this paved the way for colonial takeover (e.g., the annexation of Hawaii by the U.S.).
My list is the current affairs, which affect people today.
@AThousandYoung saidThese countries are doing very well, with the exception of some African nation.
Sure, here's a start:
The Iberian Peninsula (historically)
Over 1,000 countries on two American continents
India
China
Australia
Lithuania
Germany
France
Most of Africa
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Of course.
Economically - ever-increasing levels of inflation and inequality, along with the (eventual) bursting of massively inflated equity prices on the stock markets.
Environmentally - the continued devastation of the planet in the name of corporate greed: destroying our only means of subsistence for short-term corporate profits.
Socially - the raping of the minds of people under the guidance and direction of social media companies who spy and manipulate us with little oversight.
Militarily - the continued proliferation of WMD.
Other than this everything seems to be going well...
@AThousandYoung saidMy post contained a lot more than that.
Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula and Byzantine Empire are not ancient history?!
@AThousandYoung saidThe effect was not negative then. In the case of Islam, the countries so dominated were permanently damaged or destroyed.
Your requirement was to have a negative effect, not how the countries are doing today.
@beardmusic saidWhich of my post are you replying to?
@Rajk999
Of course.
Economically - ever-increasing levels of inflation and inequality, along with the (eventual) bursting of massively inflated equity prices on the stock markets.
Environmentally - the continued devastation of the planet in the name of corporate greed: destroying our only means of subsistence for short-term corporate profits.
Socially - the rapin ...[text shortened]... tarily - the continued proliferation of WMD.
Other than this everything seems to be going well...
@AThousandYoung saidRight. No way to hit us, because they have no nukes. Yet,
Why would an isolationist USA care anything about Israel?
Iran is weak and can't do a damn thing to the USA. If they are capable of doing anything that sounds like good reason not to piss them off.
@AverageJoe1 saidBecause they don’t have ICBMs with MIRV warheads.
Right. No way to hit us, because they have no nukes. Yet,
Pakistan can’t threaten us either. Why aren’t you people freaking about their nukes? Pakistan is Muslim too.