@wildgrass saidSilly goose,. Anything that a scientist would say to your group would not be understood by the layman, (or a non-military person in this case)and therefore no reasonable decision could be made..
Pros and cons of what? We don't even hear the same answer from the same person in a 24 hour period over the reason for the war.
If Trump said he has something "that he can do which will end cancer" I presume you would expect a group of skeptics who would want to know the details. You know, we've been working it for a while what's your plan?
Oh, what's that? No plan? O ...[text shortened]... lan we've been trying for the past 100 years? Just remove the tumor and hope something good happens?
Same goes with military. They will say “ we plan to send a B2” and sun house would say “”no …F 47s!!!!”
Intelligence committees, exist, precisely so there is oversight by knowledgeable people …not people like sun house.
Obama, Clinton, and Biden each ordered strikes (bin Laden, balkans and Syria, respectively) without announcing, nor public votes, nor presenting blueprints. Neither did Eisenhower at D-Day. Give it a rest.
@AverageJoe1 saidPete hegseth probably doesn't know what a B2 is silly, he's just a television personality. I propose to fix the problem that we simply keep doing the same thing we've been doing for the past 50 years and hope something different happens.
Silly goose,. Anything that a scientist would say to your group would not be understood by the layman, (or a non-military person in this case)and therefore no reasonable decision could be made..
Same goes with military. They will say “ we plan to send a B2” and sun house would say “”no …F 47s!!!!”
Intelligence committees, exist, precisely so there is oversight by knowl ...[text shortened]... ncing, nor public votes, nor presenting blueprints. Neither did Eisenhower at D-Day. Give it a rest.
Silly goose, that'll fix it. Just trust the podcasters and reality TV stars who are currently running out military and government.
@moonbus saidHe started with a plan, plans change daily, you can use words like flip-flop and stagger all you want, but it is an ever-changing atmosphere.
A) There was a treaty in force negotiated when Obama was in office. It was functioning, it was verifiable. Trump45 shredded it--simply because he wanted to erase Obama's legacy--and replaced it with ... nothing.
B) Trump47 launched a bunker bomb and "totally obliterated" Iran's nuclear weapons capability and set Iran back "ten years." He lied then. He's lying now.
C) He ...[text shortened]... iss that one? What a clown--it's treason for a U.S. president to be in the service of another state.
Not an easy job, only Sunhouse could do better.
You fellas are really silly the way you pick at a military operation as if you were in the room and understand the nature of what is really going on. . Note on one of our posts today, I’ve pointed out that maybe China is the overall plan, to slow their ass down. By showing this bravado, Trump may be doing just that thank you Trump.
Seriously, think about it. Y’all write about all this detail when there are seasonedmilitary experienced men standing all over the place in the war room going over extreme complex strategical planning about which you would know nothing. You do not know anything and you never will know anything. Why don’t you back off and get some lemonade?
It is getting boring.. as you do not know anything about it, why is there any benefit to people like me reading what you write? Sunhouse knows all about motors. What if I write about motors to Sunhouse. He would be bored out of his mind.
@wildgrass saidContrare’ we are not doing the same thing that we have done for 50 years. We did not have 50 years ago what we do now. Starting with communications.
Pete hegseth probably doesn't know what a B2 is silly, he's just a television personality. I propose to fix the problem that we simply keep doing the same thing we've been doing for the past 50 years and hope something different happens.
Silly goose, that'll fix it. Just trust the podcasters and reality TV stars who are currently running out military and government.
Boring again. You post is……………
Maybe this will help….if any topic comes up that someone knows nothing about, then just Abstain from the conversation. An example would be this very subject about trying to figure out war strategy. I don’t know any war strategy, so put me down as abstain..
Another example, there is a clip showing Trump saying, to be exact…
“””We were having negotiations with these lunatics, and it was my opinion that they were going to attack first. I felt strongly about that, and based the way the discussion was going , I think they were going to attack first, and I didn’t want that to happen, so if anything, I may have forced Israel’s hand. They were going to negotiation. I think they were gonna first attack.”
You see, none of us were at that meeting so we don’t know what the exact feelings that Trump had and we do not know how we would have felt had we been at that meeting.
So………. we must Abstain!!!!!
@moonbus saidThe poem was written during King Leopold the 2nd murderous reign in the Congo. Western enlightenment of the heathens at its finest.
Interesting reference. Although, if I were to send an emissary to Iran to 'civilize the savages', Donald Trump is not the one who immediately springs to mind as the most qualified person in the world to do it.
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@wildgrass saidIt is not evil to kill murderers. It is called justice. People like you are the reason murders live to kill again and again. You are therefore evil.
Like sweeping the floor in a dirt hut.
... and we all know the only way to fight evil is by pouring more evil on top of it, hopefully the evil smothers evil and then, finally, good can prevail. But only after we clean up the rest of this evil, but we'll need some evil for that too.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou just accept what ever Trump pukes out in the moment. It was originally Trump's plan ON TV was REGIME CHANCE, then it was stop nukes, then goose the talks by starting a war and now its ATTACK BECAUSE OF MISSILES.
But it has not been shown that Trump is trying to rule anything. He is trying to stop the development of ballistic missiles.
Who told you that?
He has TACO'ED FOUR TIMES so what will be the excuse NEXT week?
@sonhouse saidCertainly it is a given that he and me and 300 million other Americans would like to see a regime change there. So yes, I don’t know the phrase he used, but I would assume he might say that……that he would like to see a regime change, Since he has gone to all this trouble, he would like to see the icing on the cake.
You just accept what ever Trump pukes out in the moment. It was originally Trump's plan ON TV was REGIME CHANCE, then it was stop nukes, then goose the talks by starting a war and now its ATTACK BECAUSE OF MISSILES.
He has TACO'ED FOUR TIMES so what will be the excuse NEXT week?
But he only had one objective, and that was to end the threat of ballistic missiles for the world. His objective was not about democracy or regime change. Both of those terms have been thrown around on this forum and they are incorrect.
@no1marauder saidJoseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness is also said to have been set in that episode of Belgium's colonial history.
The poem was written during King Leopold the 2nd murderous reign in the Congo. Western enlightenment of the heathens at its finest.
"The horror! The horror!" the character Kurz declares.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou're waffling. Trump and his administration have not presented any coherent justification for attacking Iran, and flipflopped multiple times.
Certainly it is a given that he and me and 300 million other Americans would like to see a regime change there. So yes, I don’t know the phrase he used, but I would assume he might say that……that he would like to see a regime change, Since he has gone to all this trouble, he would like to see the icing on the cake.
But he only had one objective, and that was to end t ...[text shortened]... or regime change. Both of those terms have been thrown around on this forum and they are incorrect.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hegseth-vance-iran-nuclear-strikes-5357243212b4b8bbd387ae91ca797325
@AverageJoe1 saidHow many ballistic missiles were stationed at the Presidential Palace?
Certainly it is a given that he and me and 300 million other Americans would like to see a regime change there. So yes, I don’t know the phrase he used, but I would assume he might say that……that he would like to see a regime change, Since he has gone to all this trouble, he would like to see the icing on the cake.
But he only had one objective, and that was to end t ...[text shortened]... or regime change. Both of those terms have been thrown around on this forum and they are incorrect.
@moonbus saidI disagree. We all know. Except for about 11 people who follow some pied piper feigning ignorance of the reasons.
You're waffling. Trump and his administration have not presented any coherent justification for attacking Iran, and flipflopped multiple times.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hegseth-vance-iran-nuclear-strikes-5357243212b4b8bbd387ae91ca797325
You would prefer Kahmeime still be in power? No? What,then.?