@Philokalia saidYou refer to the editing of the Kamala interview?
Honestly, it's very fascinating becuase we are partly talking about the idea of actively misportraying the capabilities of a Presidential candidate to try to get the desired candidate to win, right...
I can see how it is not necessarily a free speech issue.
Massive misportraying is not what that was.
The network that does the least editorializing? It's PBS.
@Metal-Brain saidHey, MB. Did you see the thread where Spruce wants us to live like animals in Africa? He really does. Take what you want, live where you want. Puts a creative spin on the Constitution. I am thinking we have another Marx on our hands, that makes him Marauder and Moonbus.
GW Bush bribed and extorted votes for UN approval of the Iraq war so I have seen worse.
@AverageJoe1 saidI have learned not to take much he says seriously.
Hey, MB. Did you see the thread where Spruce wants us to live like animals in Africa? He really does. Take what you want, live where you want. Puts a creative spin on the Constitution. I am thinking we have another Marx on our hands, that makes him Marauder and Moonbus.
@AverageJoe1 saidOh, so you think a popular vote of guilty before a trial is enough to send folks to prison, wait, Just like Trump and ICE. BTW are you ok with that so called beautiful bill gives ICE more money than the entire budget for the US Marine Corps?
I 'figure' no such thing. You find people guilty before trial on a daily basis, you old fool. Get a grip. Before Trump was found guilty, you found him guilty before trial. If you lived next door, i would whip your butt.
I guess you figure nothing wrong with that so they are not going after the "worse of the worse' criminals that Trump specified, now it is anyone with brown skin and THAT is a fact, AMERICAN citizens with brown skins are being arrested on a near daily basis and the word I got is we better apply for and get a passport which should, I say SHOULD stop Ice from arresting brown skin Americans like they are now.
I hope your eyes don't glaze over reading such a HUGE volume of words.
@sonhouse saidI just saw this post from you,,,,,I had written that I do believe that people are innocent until proven guilty, so was only responding to your pot just above. I futher noted along those lines that you DID believe Trump to be guilty before any proof would ge presented. In other words, I caught your ass!! 😆
Oh, so you think a popular vote of guilty before a trial is enough to send folks to prison, wait, Just like Trump and ICE. BTW are you ok with that so called beautiful bill gives ICE more money than the entire budget for the US Marine Corps?
I guess you figure nothing wrong with that so they are not going after the "worse of the worse' criminals that Trump specified, now ...[text shortened]... Americans like they are now.
I hope your eyes don't glaze over reading such a HUGE volume of words.
But on another note, in an effort to bring you along in becoming a good debater, note how 'off the wall' your post here is. It does not even refer to my 'innocent till proven guilty' post, which you are responding to.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou "Caught' my ass? I don't suppose you remember, maybe blocked it out of your mind, Trump IS a convicted criminal FELON 34 times over BUSINESS FRAUD, NOT a misdemeanor like you keep posting. Pretty much says you never were a lawyer or you would have known convictions like this are based on SOLID evidence and the JURY is the one passing down guilty or innocent, not the judges, or prosecutors or various lawyers and you STILL say TOTAL WITCH HUNT, CORRUPT DOJ and the like.
I just saw this post from you,,,,,I had written that I do believe that people are innocent until proven guilty, so was only responding to your pot just above. I futher noted along those lines that you DID believe Trump to be guilty before any proof would ge presented. In other words, I caught your ass!! 😆
But on another note, in an effort to bring you along in becom ...[text shortened]... e is. It does not even refer to my 'innocent till proven guilty' post, which you are responding to.
Totally ignoring the FACT that there are judgments of guilty by jury for this exact same kind of crime many times a year AND they go to jail. Trump got treated so soft shoe he got sited for contempt TEN times and fined 1,000 bucks for each one. If it had been you or I we would be in jail JUST FOR THAT, but Trump? NOPE, he gets the soft shoe treatment once more.
He IS A CONVICTED FELON and NOTHING you can say will change that. No DOUBT you will continue to puke out WITCH HUNT or MISDEMEANOR, WHERE IS THE CRIME, your usual MO.
AND BTW he cannot pardon himself nor can Vance if and when for whatever reason he becomes POTUS because it is not a FEDERAL crime, but STATE crimes and POTUS cannot pardon those crimes.
@sonhouse saidSonhouse sai (in Trump Kimmel thread) this:””guess you figure he is guilty before he goes to trial and has to prove his innocence. Instead of the way I HEARD it was suppose to go, INNOCENT TILL PROVE GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW.
You "Caught' my ass? I don't suppose you remember, maybe blocked it out of your mind, Trump IS a convicted criminal FELON 34 times over BUSINESS FRAUD, NOT a misdemeanor like you keep posting. Pretty much says you never were a lawyer or you would have known convictions like this are based on SOLID evidence and the JURY is the one passing down guilty or innocent, not the judg ...[text shortened]... omes POTUS because it is not a FEDERAL crime, but STATE crimes and POTUS cannot pardon those crimes.
I guess you missed that bit in your so called bar exam.””
But here he shows he considers Trump guilty on everything, court notwithstanding. Like, that he had trysts with under aged. Yeah, it’s here somewhere.
@Suzianne saidIt's actually really interesting because I feel it touches on this area where we see free speech bumping up into how we portray things during an election year, right?
It was settled by Paramount for $16 million, even though it was considered by most to be a 'frivolous' lawsuit, which Paramount was perfectly capable of fighting, because Paramount has an upcoming sale to Skydance Media and they didn't want to upset Donald Trump in advance of this lawsuit.
Trump's lawyers are adept at timing lawsuits to raise the probability of a settleme ...[text shortened]... presidents never fired ethics employees whose only job is to flag presidential actions as unethical.
As far as timing lawsuits, asking for more... This just sounds strategic. What's wrong with being strategic? What's wrong with trying to win?
@wildgrass saidI do not recollect the details, but at the time much of the Internet was on fire because there was a consnesus that it did not accurately portray Kamala's response, which appeared to be unpresidential.
You refer to the editing of the Kamala interview?
Massive misportraying is not what that was.
The network that does the least editorializing? It's PBS.
Moreover, what's this comment on PBS being some objective, neutral source? lol?
Like you can just say that and you've made an adequate argument? lol?
@Philokalia saidIf you don't recollect, how can you assert consensus? Obviously taped interviews need to be edited for time.
I do not recollect the details, but at the time much of the Internet was on fire because there was a consnesus that it did not accurately portray Kamala's response, which appeared to be unpresidential.
Moreover, what's this comment on PBS being some objective, neutral source? lol?
Like you can just say that and you've made an adequate argument? lol?
News is entertainment, not evidence. It's not supposed to be consumed as accurate, but of course you can't libel. That's become increasingly clear over the years. PBS was the only exception, and there's no other way to view the situation.
The news hour is a boring dull droll quiet endeavor. It's not for folks looking to be entertained, only for those interested in what is current events.
@wildgrass saidThis is all bad faith - everyone who saw the unedited footage knew how terrible her initial response was. Nothing was edited for time, it was edited to promote the candidate that they liked and it was massaged to try to get the desired results.
If you don't recollect, how can you assert consensus? Obviously taped interviews need to be edited for time.
News is entertainment, not evidence. It's not supposed to be consumed as accurate, but of course you can't libel. That's become increasingly clear over the years. PBS was the only exception, and there's no other way to view the situation.
The news hour is a bor ...[text shortened]... . It's not for folks looking to be entertained, only for those interested in what is current events.
If you don't believe that, fine, but I think we both know, deep down, that you are losing this debate because you are betraying your actual values and the truth of the matter to buy time by appealing to some untruth that is plausible.
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@AverageJoe1 saidWe never said that, but what about the REAL victims of rape by Epstein and Maxwell? Why is NOBODY saying anything about that?
Sonhouse sai (in Trump Kimmel thread) this:””guess you figure he is guilty before he goes to trial and has to prove his innocence. Instead of the way I HEARD it was suppose to go, INNOCENT TILL PROVE GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW.
I guess you missed that bit in your so called bar exam.””
But here he shows he considers Trump guilty on everything, court notwithstanding. Like, that he had trysts with under aged. Yeah, it’s here somewhere.
Bondi never says a word of sympathy for the victims like one who was hired at age of 14 to give Epstein "massages" asked did he masturbate in front of you,
yes, did he touch your breasts yes, did he touch you buttocks, yes. How long did you give him massages, till I was 18. FOUR FRIGGING years. What happened then? I was too old.
Why has there not been talk about those victims who may number in the HUNDREDS? And BTW there is a birthday book given to Epstein that was put together by his victims made to work on that birthday book by Maxwell.
Nobody cares? BTW, that birthday picture Trump ALLEGEDLY drew, we don't know yet, but the birthday book may be in the hands of the lawyers of the Epstein estate and they WILL give it up if subpoenaed. And the drawing from Trump MIGHT be in that book and we won't know till it surfaces. Another issue with that book is DOJ may already have either the original or a copy.
There WILL be a subpoena coming out VERY soon to the Epstein lawyers and we will find out hopefully soon.
And OF COURSE Maxwell will be saying NOTHING bad about Trump. DUH.
she wants a pardon or greatly reduced sentence. If that happens, MAGA base folks will be even MORE incensed and good old Mikey shut off congress when even REPUBS voted with Dems to get the full report and instead of letting it come to a vote in congress, DISMISSED, go home nothing to see here, come back in SEPTEMBER.
GEE, maybe things will die down so much with Trump pitching distraction after distraction, First 250,000 pages of Martin Luther King Jr. Then ARREST OBAMA, he is a TRAITOR. Then SUING WALL STREET JOURNAL AND RUPERT MURDOC.
That is a laugh. they would LOVE to get Trump on the witness stand and testifying UNDER OATH. AINT GONNA HAPPEN, the only question is when will the lawsuit be canceled? 0ne day? two? There is probably bookies running odds.
So what distraction will he come up with next? Oh yeah, sue the former head of the CIA and head of the FBI comey. Yeah, well that is today. What distraction will ooze out tomorrow? ANYTHING to hide the fact Trump is scared itshayless.
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We never said that, but what about the REAL victims of rape by Epstein and Maxwell? Why is NOBODY saying anything about that?
Bondi never says a word of sympathy for the victims like one who was hired at age of 14 to give Epstein "massages" asked did he masturbate in front of you,
yes, did he touch your breasts yes, did he touch you buttocks, yes. How long did you g ...[text shortened]... oday. What distraction will ooze out tomorrow? ANYTHING to hide the fact Trump is scared itshayless.
@AverageJoe1 saidYeah, you don't want to know about a scandal even MAGA folks realize could bring down a presidency. You should be happy though, If somehow Trump is not POTUS for whatever reason your buddy Vance would be POTUS so your love of project 2025 will go forward even faster than Trump would have done.
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