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    @mott-the-hoople said
    marerider lies at the drop of a hat, havent you figured that out yet?
    He exaggerates most of the time. Sometimes he lies.

    He can find at least one accurate claim from the dossier, but most of them are unproven allegations. The dossier has been largely discredited.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    marerider lies at the drop of a hat, havent you figured that out yet?
    You mis-spelled 'Trump'
    Your brainwashing is showing quite clearly. When Trump said the mail bomber and the killings in Pittsburgh was just a distraction from his campaign, did that give you pause or was he just telling the truth? Big deal 11 people are dead and it was the diligence of the FBI and others who stopped the mail bombs going off. Of course you will just say they were fake bombs but the could have gone off.

    Just a bunch of dead Jews, right?
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    @sonhouse said
    You mis-spelled 'Trump'
    Your brainwashing is showing quite clearly. When Trump said the mail bomber and the killings in Pittsburgh was just a distraction from his campaign, did that give you pause or was he just telling the truth? Big deal 11 people are dead and it was the diligence of the FBI and others who stopped the mail bombs going off. Of course you will just say they were fake bombs but the could have gone off.

    Just a bunch of dead Jews, right?
    You misspelled misspell.
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    05 Nov '18 18:141 edit
    @metal-brain said
    You can verify everything in the dossier as accurate? No, you cannot. There are lots of claims in the dossier that cannot be confirmed. Trump with under aged prostitutes for example.
    Mott's claim was the dossier was "fake", not that everything in it has been confirmed.

    Specific incidents in the dossier has been verified and the overall story in it i.e. that the Russian government was trying to help Trump get elected is overwhelmingly proven. The dossier is far from "discredited" no matter how many times you falsely parrot that claim. Here's an article outlining several areas where the dossier has been verified: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/07/trump-russia-steele-dossier-moscow
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    @no1marauder said
    Mott's claim was the dossier was "fake", not that everything in it has been confirmed.

    Specific incidents in the dossier has been verified and the overall story in it i.e. that the Russian government was trying to help Trump get elected is overwhelmingly proven. The dossier is far from "discredited" no matter how many times you falsely parrot that claim. Here's an arti ...[text shortened]... as been verified: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/07/trump-russia-steele-dossier-moscow
    its been two years of unimpeded investigating, no limits what so ever...and zilch, nada...nothing on Trump. The issue here is a political party attempting to spy on (involving FBI/DOJ) and frame a candidate for US president in order to prevent from winning, and later subvert a legal election.
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    05 Nov '18 19:14
    @mott-the-hoople said
    its been two years of unimpeded investigating, no limits what so ever...and zilch, nada...nothing on Trump. The issue here is a political party attempting to spy on (involving FBI/DOJ) and frame a candidate for US president in order to prevent from winning, and later subvert a legal election.
    If that were true (and it is not), then the Donald should have no objection to answering questions regarding these allegations under oath/penalty of perjury.

    For some strange reason, he seems reluctant to.
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    05 Nov '18 19:39
    @mott-the-hoople said
    You misspelled misspell.
    So that's your brilliant comeback? Ignore the argument, mention spelling. Of course.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    its been two years of unimpeded investigating, no limits what so ever...and zilch, nada...nothing on Trump. The issue here is a political party attempting to spy on (involving FBI/DOJ) and frame a candidate for US president in order to prevent from winning, and later subvert a legal election.
    Trump has been revealed to, and admitted to, aiding a hostile military attacking your country, fraud, as well as paying, accepting and soliciting bribes. While I find it odd that this is acceptable to most Americans, that he hasn't been arrested for that says more about the fact that you live in a banana republic without a functional legal system than it does about Trump's innocence.
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    @no1marauder said
    Mott's claim was the dossier was "fake", not that everything in it has been confirmed.

    Specific incidents in the dossier has been verified and the overall story in it i.e. that the Russian government was trying to help Trump get elected is overwhelmingly proven. The dossier is far from "discredited" no matter how many times you falsely parrot that claim. Here's an arti ...[text shortened]... as been verified: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/07/trump-russia-steele-dossier-moscow
    The dossier contains false allegations. I don't have to tell you that the credibility of the whole dossier is ruined when there is even one false allegation proven to be false. You know that well, but you are pretending it is irrelevant like no lawyer ever honestly would.
    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "MYTH:
    Much of the notorious “Steele Dossier,” despite being paid for by the Clinton campaign, still “checks out” (New York Times) or has “proven to be accurate” (Washington Post).

    FACT:
    The parts of the dossier the media are citing as true are merely echoes of their own reporting. Even a recent WaPo analysis of the 35-page document concedes that “many claims involve things that would have been publicly known at the time the report was drafted.”

    Some press accounts have treated the dossier’s allegation that Russian officials offered Trump adviser Carter Page billions to end US sanctions as confirmed in September 2016 reporting by Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff. But Isikoff’s “Western intelligence source” was almost surely the dossier itself. So the media used the dossier to corroborate the dossier. (Page, who has repeatedly denied under oath he met with the Russian officials cited in the dossier, is suing Yahoo News over the Isikoff story.)
    What doesn’t check out at all, though, is the dossier’s most serious charge: that Trump officials secretly met with Kremlin officials overseas to hatch the hacking scheme against the Clinton campaign.

    The idea that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen traveled to Prague in August 2016 to meet with “Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers” to discuss “how to process deniable cash payments to . . . anti-Clinton hackers paid by both Trump team and Kremlin” has been debunked. Cohen denied ever visiting Prague; his passport carries no stamps showing he left or entered the US at the time; Czech authorities found no evidence he visited Prague; and University of Southern California officials confirm he was on campus visiting his son during that time."

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/19/here-are-some-of-the-biggest-myths-of-the-russian-collusion-story/
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    @no1marauder said
    If that were true (and it is not), then the Donald should have no objection to answering questions regarding these allegations under oath/penalty of perjury.

    For some strange reason, he seems reluctant to.
    so they could do him like Flynn?
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    @metal-brain said
    The dossier contains false allegations. I don't have to tell you that the credibility of the whole dossier is ruined when there is even one false allegation proven to be false. You know that well, but you are pretending it is irrelevant like no lawyer ever honestly would.
    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "MYTH:
    Much of the notorious “Steele Dossier,” despite b ...[text shortened]...

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/19/here-are-some-of-the-biggest-myths-of-the-russian-collusion-story/
    That's a lot of speculation from a year old story. The idea that Cohen's passport would have "stamps" from Czech officials has been debunked since even before that time. In fact, Cohen's passport proves he was in Europe at the time and could have passed into the Czech Republic without getting his passport stamped:

    The stamps indicate he traveled abroad at least four times in 2016: twice to London, once to St. Maarten, and once to Italy in July. The Italian trip is the most intriguing, because it places Cohen in what’s known as the Schengen Area: a group of 26 European countries, including the Czech Republic, that allows visitors to travel freely among them without getting any additional passport stamps.

    Upon entering the Schengen Area, visitors get a rectangular stamp with the date, a country code, their port of entry, and a symbol showing how they entered — such as an airplane or a train. In Cohen’s passport, that mark appears on page 17, with a date of July 9. The mark is too faint to be fully legible. The exit stamp, similar but with rounded edges, is also light, but the letters “cino” are legible, indicating he flew out of Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport in Rome. That stamp is dated July 17.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/trumps-lawyer-showed-you-the-cover-of-his-passport-heres

    Of course, it's nonsense to say that one bit of false information in a dossier containing raw intelligence "ruins" the entire document.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    so they could do him like Flynn?
    The guy who plead guilty to lying to the FBI?

    The Donald wouldn't lie, would he?
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    05 Nov '18 22:44
    @no1marauder said
    The guy who plead guilty to lying to the FBI?

    The Donald wouldn't lie, would he?
    He also will take it all the way to SCOTUS where he WILL get his get out of jail card so no he will NEVER testify. Would a dem win tomorrow give any teeth to Mueller?
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    @no1marauder said
    The guy who plead guilty to lying to the FBI?

    The Donald wouldn't lie, would he?
    mueller threatened to go after flynns son...

    “Nevertheless, after Mueller was appointed special counsel, investigators zeroed in on Flynn and his son, Michael Flynn Jr., who served as his chief of staff. Flynn was rapidly drained of his savings in the investigation and pleaded guilty, reportedly to protect his son and any remaining assets”


    “it is interesting to contemplate how the information might impact Flynn's view of his deal. It now appears that, before President Trump unwisely fired then-FBI Director James Comey, federal investigators had concluded that Flynn was not knowingly lying to them about his meeting in late December 2016 with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, a meeting where sanctions were discussed.”


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/374738-evidence-withheld-in-flynn-case-brady-motion-makes-one-wonder%3famp
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    mueller threatened to go after flynns son...

    “Nevertheless, after Mueller was appointed special counsel, investigators zeroed in on Flynn and his son, Michael Flynn Jr., who served as his chief of staff. Flynn was rapidly drained of his savings in the investigation and pleaded guilty, reportedly to protect his son and any remaining assets”


    “it is interesting t ...[text shortened]... ill.com/opinion/judiciary/374738-evidence-withheld-in-flynn-case-brady-motion-makes-one-wonder%3famp
    "I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily because I am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged.

    Defendant's Acceptance, signed by Michael Flynn https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-court-filing/index.html

    Nothing in the Plea Agreement prevents the Government from filing charges against anyone else, including Flynn's son:

    "No agreements, promises, understandings or representations have been made by the parties or their counsels other than those contained in the writings herein, nor will any such agreements, promises, understandings or representations be made unless committed to writing and signed by your client, defense counsel and Special Counsel's Office."

    Plea Agreement, Section 13, Complete Agreement
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-flynn-plea-agreement-documents
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