@vivify said" Gene therapy uses vectors to alter genes"
Wrong. I said vaccines may *indirectly* affect genes; work on your reading comprehension.
You're also wrong that no viral vectors alter genes:
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/therapy/procedures/#:~:text=Certain%20viruses%20are%20often%20used,chromosome%20in%20the%20human%20cell.
[quote]Gene therapy is designed to introduce genetic material into cells ...[text shortened]... rs with vaccine vectors, which is the source of your mistake; you've been misreading the whole time.
No they don't and the quote you posted says nothing of the sort. Are you really this desperate to avoid the obvious reality? When are we going to get to the part where you say "what is wrong with gene therapy, so what?"
They are called gene vaccines. The government posted an article (and I posted it to you) that says they are covid vaccines and have already been given to people worldwide. You have already been proven wrong.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772572/
Here is the title to that article:
"Development of COVID-19 vaccines utilizing gene therapy technology"
Here is an excerpt I posted before you ignored:
"For rapid development, RNA vaccines and adenovirus vector vaccines have been urgently approved, and their injection has already started across the world. These types of vaccine technologies have been developed over more than 20 years using translational research for use against cancer or diseases caused by genetic disorders but the COVID-19 vaccines are the first licensed drugs to prevent infectious diseases using RNA vaccine technology."
Notice this part of that excerpt above:
"These types of vaccine technologies have been developed over more than 20 years using translational research for use against cancer or diseases caused by genetic disorders "
They are talking about mRNA gene therapy. It is the same technology if the title of the article is not enough.
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@vivify saidStop lying. It doesn't say that at all. It doesn't alter genes indirectly either. STOP LYING!
You're pulling a Marjorie Taylor Greene here. In that same post, I also said they alter genes "indirectly". You are dishonest.
You have failed to show any acceptance of facts and you are contradicting yourself. First you said they don't change genes and now you are claiming they do. Make up your bloody mind.
@metal-brain saidYou are beyond help. The article outright says vectors are used to deliver genetic material used for gene therapy.
" Gene therapy uses vectors to alter genes"
No they don't and the quote you posted says nothing of the sort.
We're done here.
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@vivify saidThat doesn't mean it alters genes!
You are beyond help. The article outright says vectors are used to deliver genetic material used for gene therapy.
We're done here.
It means viral vectors deliver genetic material which is what I have been saying all along. That genetic material alters the biological properties of cells to produce foreign proteins, NOT ALTER GENES!
@metal-brain saidThat's how vaccines work, yes. But gene therapy uses vectors to deliver therapeutic genetic materials that can repair genes, or make beneficial changes, unlike vaccines.
That doesn't mean it alters genes!
It means viral vectors deliver genetic material which is what I have been saying all along. That genetic material alters the biological properties of cells to produce foreign proteins, NOT ALTER GENES!
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/therapy/procedures/#:~:text=Certain%20viruses%20are%20often%20used,chromosome%20in%20the%20human%20cell.
Gene therapy is designed to introduce genetic material into cells to compensate for abnormal genes or to make a beneficial protein. If a mutated gene causes a necessary protein to be faulty or missing, gene therapy may be able to introduce a normal copy of the gene to restore the function of the protein.
A gene that is inserted directly into a cell usually does not function. Instead, a carrier called a vector is genetically engineered to deliver the gene.
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@metal-brain saidThis is my last post on this thread, since I've explained the same thing countless times
Explain why? Can't you do that?
Gene therapy uses viral vectors to deliver therapeutic genetical material that is used to repair or change genes in order to treat diseases; see my link above. Vectors used by vaccines do not, which is why vector *vaccines* are not gene therapy.
@vivify saidThey "can", but they don't have to.
That's how vaccines work, yes. But gene therapy uses vectors to deliver therapeutic genetic materials that can repair genes, or make beneficial changes, unlike vaccines.
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/therapy/procedures/#:~:text=Certain%20viruses%20are%20often%20used,chromosome%20in%20the%20human%20cell.Gene therapy is designed to introduce genet ...[text shortened]... n. Instead, a carrier called a vector is genetically engineered to deliver the gene.
Why is it so difficult for you to accept that?
Do I have to quote the FDA website again?
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@metal-brain saidNo, you don't have to re-hash a quote everybody else already knows doesn't say what you claim it says.
Do I have to quote the FDA website again?
@vivify said"Gene therapy uses viral vectors to deliver therapeutic genetical material that is used to repair or change genes in order to treat diseases"
This is my last post on this thread, since I've explained the same thing countless times
Gene therapy uses viral vectors to deliver therapeutic genetical material that is used to repair or change genes in order to treat diseases; see my link above. Vectors used by vaccines do not, which is why vector *vaccines* are not gene therapy.
Once again, not all gene therapy repairs or change genes. Some gene therapy techniques can, but that is not a requirement for it to be gene therapy. You are debating in circles. The FDA website proves you wrong.
"Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms:
Replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy copy of the gene
Inactivating a disease-causing gene that is not functioning properly
Introducing a new or modified gene into the body to help treat a disease"
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy
That third example from the FDA doesn't alter genes, yet the FDA clearly lists it as gene therapy. There is your proof gene therapy does NOT have to alter genes/DNA.
@shallow-blue said"Introducing a new or modified gene into the body to help treat a disease"
No, you don't have to re-hash a quote everybody else already knows doesn't say what you claim it says.
If you know the quote then why do you refuse to accept it? It doesn't say anything about altering genes. stop making false assumptions based on lying fact checkers.
Viral vectors do not alter genes. The FDA website clearly lists viral vectors as gene therapy. There is your proof. It is right in front of your face.
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@metal-brain saidNo, you didn't have to re-hash a quote everybody else already knows doesn't say what you claim it says.
"Introducing a new or modified gene into the body to help treat a disease"
You're not convincing anyone. Not even Joe, not even Mott. Hell, not even Duchess! You're only making a laughing stock of yourself.
Well... even more of a laughing stock...
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@shallow-blue saidViral vectors are gene therapy and they do not alter genes or DNA.
No, you didn't have to re-hash a quote everybody else already knows doesn't say what you claim it says.
You're not convincing anyone. Not even Joe, not even Mott. Hell, not even Duchess! You're only making a laughing stock of yourself.
Well... even more of a laughing stock...
Do you disagree with that fact?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817894/
mRNA gene therapy does not alter genes or DNA. The assertion that gene therapy has to change DNA/genes is false. Also from a government website.
@metal-brain saidFunny how you think you’re correct, even when everyone and every government and every expert and every health authority is telling you you are wrong.
Funny how I proved covid gene vaccines exist, but they still are not covid vaccines.
Psychosis. Denial of reality.
Do you suffer from hallucinations, by any chance?