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@AverageJoe1 saidI won't waste my time explaining to you for the hundredth time that these loans aren't "paid off".
He is paying.
And no one on this thread believes your ridiculous position that the forgiveness of the loans did not cost anything. If you say that some more, I will gloss over. I already gloss over Shouse trump stuff. I mean, really. Y'all read Shouse, give him my regards.
https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-additional-77-billion-approved-student-debt-relief-160000-borrowers
None of the programs in your link were at issue in the SCOTUS case or the recent ones.
EDIT: And anyway I'm not discussing this off-topic subject AGAIN which you have brought up in at least 100 threads by now.
@KellyJay saidTrump spent more money though, and spent a lot right before leaving office. As I'm sure you're aware that inflation numbers are lagging indicators, if you think spending caused it then it's more likely that trump spending caused inflation.
Fixing inflation, no he caused it by new spending, trillions on the backs of taxpayers. Throwing money around like doing so was meaningless and without consequences, all flash and show.
@no1marauder saidThe whole world reacted badly, fear gripped it, people were forced to get shots or lose jobs, businesses were shut down, and people went to jail for trying to earn a living. COVID is not a valid excuse, they trashed drugs that worked, that are now acceptable to take, and instead of using those drugs mandated shots that were untested for long-term consequences (who made money there). They didn't have to spend trillions, but they had an excuse and you and they are still using it, blame COVID. I suppose that may smooth your conscience instead of acknowledging the damage they did with the bogus medical demands, out-of-control spreading, and trashing the rights of people through fear.
That's BS. There was a worldwide surge of inflation after COVID restrictions were relaxed. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/06/inflation-stats-usa-and-world/
It's simple minded right wing propaganda to blame Biden's modest programs for an inflation spike that hit virtually the entire world.
@KellyJay saidAnother imbecilic COVID denier refusing to face reality.
The whole world reacted badly, fear gripped it, people were forced to get shots or lose jobs, businesses were shut down, and people went to jail for trying to earn a living. COVID is not a valid excuse, they trashed drugs that worked, that are now acceptable to take, and instead of using those drugs mandated shots that were untested for long-term consequences (who made mone ...[text shortened]... the bogus medical demands, out-of-control spreading, and trashing the rights of people through fear.
Plenty of those morons on this board.
@wildgrass saidThe American economy behaves much like a large ship at sea, like the Titanic it moves slowly as it changes directions. As it was moving to recovery due to economic strategies in place due to the corrections made to lower energy and other restrictions (the cost of a gallon of gas then and now), an election occurred.
Trump spent more money though, and spent a lot right before leaving office. As I'm sure you're aware that inflation numbers are lagging indicators, if you think spending caused it then it's more likely that trump spending caused inflation.
The economy was already starting to recover (the price of goods and services then and now), behold, the next administration came into office and took credit for what was already happening, as if they did it! You think that in a short amount of time, their immediate actions cured the largest economy in the world immediately, simply by spending trillions created out of thin air.
The plans in place before Biden and Harris got into office were starting to show results. They did everything under the sun to make sure that they screwed it up I imagine thinking they were doing good, but what they have done has slowed things down and now has them moving in the wrong direction.
As soon as Harris has a press conference where people can ask her questions about how the American economy should work and looks like you'll get a dissertation on a communist way of life. She wants to demand the government insert itself into the food industry, and everything else, so they can look at and judge every bit of human activity for tax and fairness policies, according to what they think those things should look like.
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@no1marauder saidYou think COVID had to be reacted to the way they did it. We have no idea how many caught COVID, the reason being you could get it and never know, because you would be asymptomatic. My family all caught it I stayed home from work not because I had it but was exposed, I was tested and I had it too, but no symptoms, and never had any. We went later to have our blood checked in case it was a false positive and they confirmed I had it. So the number of people who caught it could have blanketed the whole country and we would not have known, since many like me were not showing symptoms. In reality, you should pay more attention, before they ask you to take some more shots against your will or offer you some Kool-Aid.
Another imbecilic COVID denier refusing to face reality.
Plenty of those morons on this board.
@KellyJay saidNo thanks - I wasted enough time on this board with COVID deniers and minimizers.
You think COVID had to be reacted to the way they did it. We have no idea how many caught COVID, the reason being you could get it and never know, because you would be asymptomatic. My family all caught it I stayed home from work not because I had it but was exposed, I was tested and I had it too, but no symptoms, and never had any. We went later to have our blood checked ...[text shortened]... attention, before they ask you to take some more shots against your will or offer you some Kool-Aid.
The fact of the matter is that COVID caused a worldwide economic recession that also severely disrupted supply chains. That this would eventually lead to a price surge across almost all advanced economies was a certainty no matter what policies were pursued by individual nations. The ridiculous right wing pretending that Biden's fiscal policies somehow (the budget deficits in 2021 and 2022 were far below 2020) caused this is a fairy tale for the stupid.
@no1marauder saidApparently not enough if you that is what you think.
No thanks - I wasted enough time on this board with COVID deniers and minimizers.
The fact of the matter is that COVID caused a worldwide economic recession that also severely disrupted supply chains. That this would eventually lead to a price surge across almost all advanced economies was a certainty no matter what policies were pursued by individual nations. The ridi ...[text shortened]... he budget deficits in 2021 and 2022 were far below 2020) caused this is a fairy tale for the stupid.
@no1marauder saidI won't miss the links, myself>. I hate links, How did you ever debate in college without links.
I won't waste my time explaining to you for the hundredth time that these loans aren't "paid off".
None of the programs in your link were at issue in the SCOTUS case or the recent ones.
EDIT: And anyway I'm not discussing this off-topic subject AGAIN which you have brought up in at least 100 threads by now.
If my employee comes in tomorrow and says he just found out that he does not have to pay his college loan, what will he mean by that?
@KellyJay saidHe dislikes this discussion, too. Find him another one!!! Find one that has to do with goverrrnrnrnrnrnnnnnnnment and you will hit a homer!!!!1
The whole world reacted badly, fear gripped it, people were forced to get shots or lose jobs, businesses were shut down, and people went to jail for trying to earn a living. COVID is not a valid excuse, they trashed drugs that worked, that are now acceptable to take, and instead of using those drugs mandated shots that were untested for long-term consequences (who made mone ...[text shortened]... the bogus medical demands, out-of-control spreading, and trashing the rights of people through fear.
@KellyJay saidKamala will not submit to a real interview. Their (her handlers) thinking is that she does not have to, and they could be right.
As soon as Harris has a press conference where people can ask her questions about how the American economy should work and looks like you'll get a dissertation on a communist way of life. She wants to demand the government insert itself into the food industry, and everything else, so they can look at and judge every bit of human activity for tax and fairness policies, according to what they think those things should look like.
@AverageJoe1 saidThe point being is that a question has a question mark in it and your two previous posts answering me didn’t.
Asked to whom guaranteed income is owed. Only farmers? Zahlanzi and marauder will not agree with you.
It is OK that you will ignore answering the question, there is plenty of other stuff to talk about. Oh, And if you are brave enough to answer this question, tell us from whom the guarantee comes. I am part of the government myself along with 330 million people. Are we the ones that are guaranteeing this?
Another point that I’ve made before is that if you don’t like an answer, you tend to state that nobody is answering your question.
So, why the hell would anyone bother with you?
People need an X-amount of money to live in our society. If they have less than X, they can’t live in a house, feed themselves or get adequate healthcare. True or not?
Some jobs are very important to society: farmers, police, firemen, nurses, infrastructure workers, etc.
Without these people, society would not function as we wish. True or not?
Let’s start there.
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@shavixmir said"How many people are coming to the meeting, I ask." That form of speech does not call for a question mark.
The point being is that a question has a question mark in it and your two previous posts answering me didn’t.
Another point that I’ve made before is that if you don’t like an answer, you tend to state that nobody is answering your question.
So, why the hell would anyone bother with you?
People need an X-amount of money to live in our society. If they have less than ...[text shortened]... tc.
Without these people, society would not function as we wish. True or not?
Let’s start there.
Your last para is correct. These people have 'been important' and have 'functioned' in our society and others for hundreds of years. Don't get your point.
Your 'People need an X-amount..' is also correct. I don't get why you make that point, either. I would say True to that comment..
Shav Said:
""Another point that I’ve made before is that if you don’t like an answer, you tend to state that nobody is answering your question.
So, why the hell would anyone bother with you?""
Let me just take SHouse as an example. I have asked him 4 questions that he would never and has never answered. You seem to be saying that I 'don't like answers", when in fact y'all often do not answer, esp my analogies. Yesterday I asked Marauder what an island elder would say to a guy who sold eggs to a citizen. (none of elder's business). He suggested that I add more facts! Yeah, answers are hard to come by.
Re Sonhouse, I asked him 20 times, what would you say if your grandchild had trained for 4 years to compete in swim-meet championship, and a grown male with thick muscles, large hands, was allowed to compete? Since you have a handle on answer-process, would you enlighten Sonhouse for me?
@AverageJoe1
Prices are too low when rationing is implemented and hoarding takes place.
Prices are too high when you are not willing to pay it....or there is a conspiracy to price fix (monopoly).
@Metal-Brain saidPrices are too high when you are not willing to pay it.....EXACTLY.
@AverageJoe1
Prices are too low when rationing is implemented and hoarding takes place.
Prices are too high when you are not willing to pay it....or there is a conspiracy to price fix (monopoly).
So, common sense, seller lowers his price. In effect,the consumer thus sets the price of goods.
Marauder etal say, nooo....., let us just tell the seller what to sell it for. Are we really hearing this crap?
Why, tell me why, is three year period when EVERYTHING, after 230 years, has to be changed?