19 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI think this is one of those mechanisms I mentioned .I agree with you ,humans are all those things and worse!However,what about the good aspects ?Our need to live together forces us to confront our failings ,this is a hard and painful process,but is that a reason to hand over responsibility to a god? In the end do you want to see mankind as a helpless creature who cannot survive on its own or maybe develop through experience both good and bad to become more than what we are ?
Strip away the facade, human beings are rotten. No damn good. Depraved, there's nothing to be redeemed except for a soul that recognizes its helplessnes and determines to do something about. As with any hole, climbing out requires help. The Creator, alone, is able to come to the rescue (and He did). An uncoerced decision to accept that help represents t ...[text shortened]... hold it, eternal separation from God and unimaginable suffering forever. Today, you decide.
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19 Jan 13
Originally posted by OdBodI think this is one of those mechanisms I mentioned .I agree with you ,humans are all those things and worse!However,what about the good aspects ?Our need to live together forces us to confront our failings ,this is a hard and painful process,but is that a reason to hand over responsibility to a god? In the end do you want to see mankind as a helpless creature who cannot survive on its own or maybe develop through experience both good and bad to become more than what we are ?
I think this is one of those mechanisms I mentioned .I agree with you ,humans are all those things and worse!However,what about the good aspects ?Our need to live together forces us to confront our failings ,this is a hard and painful process,but is that a reason to hand over responsibility to a god? In the end do you want to see mankind as a helpless creature ...[text shortened]... e on its own or maybe develop through experience both good and bad to become more than what we are ?
... what about the good aspects ? There is no good of intrinsic value. All are physically born spiritually dead (body and soul).
... is that a reason to hand over responsibility to a god? Absolutely. We trust doctors (and spouses) with our bodies; to whom else would you entrust your eternal soul?
... see mankind as a helpless creature? Hell, no. We have physical, emotional and intellectual energy to burn. We only behave to the extent that we're easy in the harness of social and legal [TOS] constraints imposed.
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Originally posted by apathistYou haven't a clue. What's worse, you waste your breath and time with substitutionary activities designed to fill the vacuun of your soul; and, simultaneously, give off the (false) impression that you've got your stuff together, masquerading as kewl. You pose as the shallow fool without realizing you're fulfilling the role. You, friend, are to be pitied. Not an ember of scorn.
We are not good and we are not bad. Don't be afraid to look.
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/paldr001/myblog/devil%2Band%2Bangel%2Bhomer2.jpg
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19 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAgain,I agree with you on many points.I think that the development of an individual is an ongoing process which begins probably before birth. I have to trust in the abilities of others more expert than myself , but that trust is not absolute and experts are fallible.I also think that we behave because of societal constraints(Lord of the Flies) .Civilisation needs a frame work to which an individual can refer, in order to live with others given limited resources .The structure of Civilisation can be and has often changed, belief in "absolutes"I think restricts the ability to change when change may be needed.With reference to the soul ,this would be a problem to person of faith,but I personally do not think it exists.If this is the only existence we have do you not think it makes life and other people more precious?
I think this is one of those mechanisms I mentioned .I agree with you ,humans are all those things and worse!However,[b]what about the good aspects ?Our need to live together forces us to confront our failings ,this is a hard and painful process,but is that a reason to hand over responsibility to a god? In the end do you want to see mankin ...[text shortened]... to the extent that we're easy in the harness of social and legal [TOS] constraints imposed.
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19 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo it really hurt your feelings that I don't believe in your god. Could she be any weaker?
You haven't a clue. What's worse, you waste your breath and time with substitutionary activities designed to fill the vacuun of your soul; and, simultaneously, give off the (false) impression that you've got your stuff together, masquerading as kewl. You pose as the shallow fool without realizing you're fulfilling the role. You, friend, are to be pitied. Not an ember of scorn.
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20 Jan 13
Originally posted by apathistWhat would make me really have to think things through is if you did believe in God. The fact that you don't believe is to be completely expected. Your disbelief didn't hurt anyone's feelings, so I hope that eases your conscience.
So it really hurt your feelings that I don't believe in your god. Could she be any weaker?
20 Jan 13
Originally posted by OdBod"With reference to the soul ,this would be a problem to person of faith,but I personally do not think it exists."
Again,I agree with you on many points.I think that the development of an individual is an ongoing process which begins probably before birth. I have to trust in the abilities of others more expert than myself , but that trust is not absolute and experts are fallible.I also think that we behave because of societal constraints(Lord of the Flies) .Civilisation needs ...[text shortened]... this is the only existence we have do you not think it makes life and other people more precious?
What gives you a unique identity? Your temporal body? With what do you perceive external reality? Your temporal body? With what do you hope and dream? Your temporal body? With what do you experience anguish over the loss of a loved one? Your temporal body? With what do feel compassion and charity? Your temporal body? With what do you pray?
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20 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI think it's okay to have faith.
[b]"With reference to the soul ,this would be a problem to person of faith,but I personally do not think it exists."
What gives you a unique identity? Your temporal body? With what do you perceive external reality? Your temporal body? With what do you hope and dream? Your temporal body? With what do you experience anguish over the loss of a loved ...[text shortened]... body? With what do feel compassion and charity? Your temporal body? With what do you pray?
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