Originally posted by rhbUsers who don't receive a private explanation may also choose to complain about it in public (as has happened). And users who get a private explanation before they get a ban would be much less likely to complain about anything, and less likely to repeat the same mistake than those who get a ban without an explanation. I don't see how a ban or a warning with an explanation is likely to create a bigger storm than a ban without an explanation.
Noodles,
Users who receive a private explanation for their ban may choose to post these in the forums for public discussion (either once the ban is expired, or via a site friend whilst the ban is ongoing).
Either way this could cause a bigger manure storm than the one in this thread.
Originally posted by NordlysAs it stands under the current system it is the exception and not the rule that the banned (or their peers) feel it necessary to raise the matter for debate in the public forums.
Users who don't receive a private explanation may also choose to complain about it in public (as has happened). And users who get a private explanation before they get a ban would be much less likely to complain about anything, and less likely to repeat the same mistake than those who get a ban without an explanation. I don't see how a ban or a ...[text shortened]... ning with an explanation is likely to create a bigger storm than a ban without an explanation.
Once private explanations start being given, these will be brought to the public forums by the agrieved for discussion, or just to show off.
When an explanation given in a private message (pre or post banning) is then posted in a public forum, this will cause a massive debate around the explanation - as with all posts, the Mods words will be picked apart and interpreted widely by the community, leading to more heated discussion.
If I were a Mod and I thought there were a risk of this, I'd chuck in the towel, as I wouldn't want to have to carefully word a watertight explanation every time I took action - in my own free time. If all mods felt the same way, then there'd be no alternative but to close the forums as they require Moderation (otherwise why do we have Mods?).
Originally posted by SJ247It's relevant to the wider discussion, so I made my reply public as I feel it contributes to the debate.
La di da!!
It's called private message, oh lofty one.
It was a direct question to Nordlys however, hence it was addressed to her, as it was the opinion of Norldys I was seeking in response, to bring this into the wider public debate.
Which bit of that don't you understand?
Originally posted by rhbBelgianfreak already gives warnings and explanations, so if you were right, this would already be happening. Stangbo has brought it to the forums, but do you really think he would have kept quiet if he hadn't been warned and given explanations? Otherwise, I can't see that belgianfreak's bans get more public discussions than Phlabibit's.
Once private explanations start being given, these will be brought to the public forums by the agrieved for discussion, or just to show off.
Originally posted by rhbIt's a public forum, so everybody is free to reply, even if you direct a question to a specific person. You are using an ivanhoe technique here.
It's relevant to the wider discussion, so I made my reply public as I feel it contributes to the debate.
It was a direct question to Nordlys however, hence it was addressed to her, as it was the opinion of Norldys I was seeking in response, to bring this into the wider public debate.
Which bit of that don't you understand?
Alright this is all getting way out of hand. We have the following:
1) I was banned and SJ felt so strong about it that she started a thread to get an answer as to why (which I appreciate by the way).
2) Phlab finally admits his mistake (yet, keeps saying it wasn't) and lifts the ban.
3) A whole bunch of members feel that it's inappropriate to discuss things in the public, yet can't stay out of the discussion.
4) Some of us wants to change the moderation process to avoid situations like this, others don't.
In short, we're different kinds of people. Some of us think that there is a right and wrong way to manage a website. Paying members deserve as much respect as to know why they can't use the services they've payed for. Often it's obvious, but when it's not (like in this case with me) a short explanation can't be that big a deal to offer, can it?
So, we're status quo on this one. Things are the way they were, and this very thing will most likely happen in the future when someone else is banned inexplicably (to the members involved) and we'll no doubt come to the same conclusions. Which is that some members don't care, and others feel strong about it.
But hey, if Russ wants to make this whole site for free, I have no problem with injustice. Since I'm paying for it, I think you guys can do a little better than saying: "It's a private site, and no democratic rules apply." That's just bad business.
I don't know if I'm imagining this, but it seems like previously subscribing members are letting their subscriptions fall. I can't be sure as for the reasons, but I know when time comes for me to renew, and if circumstances are still the same, I'll pass.
Originally posted by PhlabibitBecause he is Brown nosing you. Get the ear wax out and open your eyes. The Carp is saying I am there for you man don't ban me. Actually that is smart if it works, and you happen to like that sort of thing. But I think you should at least be more open minded as to what SJ is saying. It is not a personal attack you know as much as questiong a system. Oh, by the way while I am thinking about it. Please don't ban me, I'm there for you man.
Why attack Freddy for his view, SJ### isn't a mod either.
I've stated my case, and other users of this site are free to say what they think.
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Originally posted by cashthetrashAgreed, and good luck. Prepare to be nibbled into carpalicious submission.
Because he is Brown nosing you. Get the ear wax out and open your eyes. The Carp is saying I am there for you man don't ban me. Actually that is smart if it works, and you happen to like that sort of thing. But I think you should at least be more open minded as to what SJ is saying. It is not a personal attack you know as much as questiong a system. Oh, by the way while I am thinking about it. Please don't ban me, I'm there for you man.