06 May 07
Originally posted by scoop122Well with my time machine I happen to just be finishing, I expect to be a rich man in a couple of years. I plan to go for the lotteries. Do you think they will get suspicious if I win 10 in a row?
any certain bets or winning systems for beating the bookies
includes roulette systems for those so inclined.
let's make some money guys 🙂😉
07 May 07
Originally posted by scoop122There are no certain winning systems. You could just think of it in terms of an investment and bet the favourites all the time. If you are willing to win a smaller amount most of the time, you'll come out ahead, it just won't be one big "I never have to work again" win. If you're throwing money away on 15:1 odds, you're only going to lose money in the long run. If you always bet 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:5 odds, you will probably win more often, but the payout will only be 20 - 50% more than what you bet. In an investment situation you'd be glad for the 20%, but when gambling people want the big payout.
any certain bets or winning systems for beating the bookies
includes roulette systems for those so inclined.
let's make some money guys 🙂😉
Of course this is untested, as I am totally incapable of getting myself a proper gambling habit. I have tried and tried, but it is the one vice which has managed to elude me, to deny my advances, no matter how much effort I invest. Also it probably doesn't work with horses or dogs, since the odds on those are pretty much just made up as far as I can tell.
07 May 07
Originally posted by GascraftThat work? Or even better - that work and are legal? If there were systems which would guarantee that you win, the gambling industry would quickly be put out of business. The reason it exists, is that it can't be beaten.
Of course there are winning systems.
07 May 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3don't give up on your dream, man. try some different ways to get there, feed on the support of your loved ones, i'm sure you'll get a gambling habit in the end.
I am totally incapable of getting myself a proper gambling habit. I have tried and tried, but it is the one vice which has managed to elude me, to deny my advances, no matter how much effort I invest.
07 May 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3I have tried and tested it over the last few years. It works for a while then you get a massive loss. the good news is it is harder to get addicted because the stakes are really big, so it's not like smoking just one more fag or drinking one more pint, it's more like smoking a box of 200 all at once, which you wouldn't do if you were trying to quit.
There are no certain winning systems. You could just think of it in terms of an investment and bet the favourites all the time. If you are willing to win a smaller amount most of the time, you'll come out ahead, it just won't be one big "I never have to work again" win. If you're throwing money away on 15:1 odds, you're only going to lose money ...[text shortened]... rses or dogs, since the odds on those are pretty much just made up as far as I can tell.
I did it with ridiculously uneven football matches, like in the first or second round of a cup. The trouble is, when you win you say"quite right too" because you were sure you would, and when you lose its a total disaster. So, you go from being ok to devastated but there is no real fun in it, just relief when the game is over (usually).
Financially I am pretty much where i started, so it was a lot of work for nothing. It made football a bit more interesting though.
07 May 07
Originally posted by twiceaknightIn my theoretical situation, you would have to spread the bets around on various sports where the odds are usually pretty accurate - soccer, rugby, etc. That way you would not be depending on the outcome of a single event, but be distributing and hopefully minimising losses. There are upsets, but those have to be in the minority so you would (again just untested conjecture) eventually come out ahead.
I have tried and tested it over the last few years. It works for a while then you get a massive loss. the good news is it is harder to get addicted because the stakes are really big, so it's not like smoking just one more fag or drinking one more pint, it's more like smoking a box of 200 all at once, which you wouldn't do if you were trying to quit.
...[text shortened]... arted, so it was a lot of work for nothing. It made football a bit more interesting though.
PS - If I ever test it I'll let you know my results, but I could never bring myself to put serious money into it. Maybe I'll try it with €20 or something...
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07 May 07
Originally posted by GascraftThere is one system by which you can win at a game that involves bookmakers: be the bookmaker. They make money. If there were a system that involved a player being guaranteed to make money, the bookies would lose money. Since this does not happen, and is not going to happen, you may assume that there is no sure-fire way to make money at any gambling game, except for organising it.
Of course there are winning systems.
Richard
07 May 07
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Originally posted by Shallow BlueThis is true. The bookies make their money on the "vigorish" which is the skim between the bets of both sides. Often times, if they get too weighted to one side of a particular wager, they will write part of it off to other bookies or houses who are weighted heavily to the other side. This minimizes the risk the bookie is forced to endure. It is a bonus to them if the winning bet comes from the side that is underinvested in by the bookie, since he collects the full bets of the larger side, and pays off the smaller sides. The other time that bookies can get into trouble is when the spreads overlap and the final score is in the middle, which is why they like to employ the 1/2 point system to eliminate those overlaps. But there is no "sure fire" way to beat the bookies other than making bets that are in your favor and getting lucky. I would rather be lucky than good because lucky don't lose.
There is one system by which you can win at a game that involves bookmakers: be the bookmaker. They make money. If there were a system that involved a player being guaranteed to make money, the bookies would lose money. Since this does not happen, and is not going to happen, you may assume that there is no sure-fire way to make money at any gambling game, except for organising it.
Richard
07 May 07
There is a system called "arbitrage" I think that's how you spell it. I looked into it quite seriously however for the amount of time that one has to invest and the "float" that one needs and the return gained I did not think it worthwhile.
The basic premise is you sign on with many online bookies - and if in europe best to sign on with some from different countries too.
Now if you search you will find that some bookies give odds differntly and, especially in international games (this can be club teams from different countries) a bookie in England might have odds of (exagerated) 4-1 for english team to win where as a French bookie might 5-1 for the French team to win in the same game. and something else for a draw - point being that by placing different sized bets with different bookies you can ensure a win.
You would often find though that £10,000 would have to be placed to guarantee £500 back.
Also lots of online bookies have £1000 limits which makes the profit margins even smaller for the same work.
I had email chats with somebody who told me it was working and they had been doing it for a couple of years since being made redundant however they were working about 50-60hrs a week for about £40k a year
This could have just been a tale - however I could nto really see what he had to gain by telling me.
07 May 07
Originally posted by scoop122You can still get away with card counting at certain casinos. That, and playing the games with the best winning odds (like craps) are your best bet.
any certain bets or winning systems for beating the bookies
includes roulette systems for those so inclined.
let's make some money guys 🙂😉
Still, after all is said and done, you'll probably end up dead, beat up, broke...or all three.