Originally posted by whodeyI think the best match up would be Florida-USC, where USC's great defense would have a shot at holding Florida in check. The Big 12 teams are all scoring machines, but none of them play consistent hard defense and I think Florida would bust them up. They might be able to out score Alabama, however.
Don't get me wrong, I despise Florida, it is just that I respect the SEC especially after laying waste to my Buckeyes twice in the NCG. I just think they are head and shoulders above any other conference out there. In order for conferences to gain my respect they must first beat the best in the SEC in the NCG.
Big 12 pfft.
PAC 10 pfft.
ACC Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha........
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Originally posted by EladarExcellent point. Muschamp has done a great job with the Texas defense, even though some of their key members have been injured. In the Big 12, most teams are playing "contain" defenses rather than "stifle" defenses. The reason is that there is no other conference (I will repeat this for No.1's benefit) NO OTHER CONFERENCE in the country that has the caliber of QB and WR talent as does the Big 12. Look at the numbers and you will agree. These QB's are not flash in the pan types either. They will shread defenses and take what they are given. I remember just a couple of years ago when USC was hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread and no one had a chance against them and they got beaten by a team who bent but wouldn't break. That mold is what you have seen several Big 12 teams become. Say what you will, Texas Tech did not beat Texas, Texas beat Texas. Tech's defense played out of their head while Texas stumbled early. In the second half, Texas owned Tech and they were pissing themselves in Lubbock when Texas took the lead with just over a minute to go. If our secondary doesn't drop an inteception in their hands the play before Crabtree's miracle play, Tech would be an afterthought. OU will not lose to Tech in Norman. I hate OU, but they are a better team than Tech. Tech are monsters in Lubbock, but on the road they are quite beatable. I think the best two teams in the country are Texas and Florida. I don't think Florida's defense would contain Texas. While I don't think the Texas defense would stop Florida, I do think the Texas Offense would outperform Tebow and company and I believe it would be a game that would eclipse Texas and USC as the best game of this century (so far).
Is it that Big 12 defenses suck or is it that Big 12 offenses are that good? It is only simple minded people who do not take into consideration the competition when comparing stats.
If anyone was really interested in finding out who the best teams are, then they'd allow for a play-off system. I think 16 teams would be great.
True, even with a play-off that doesn't mean the best team will be National Champion. Injuries or simply a bad day can cause an inferior team to win. At least we wouldn't have the problem of trying to judge teams that have never met.
The SEC is a shell of what it usually is. Perhaps Florida isn't that great. Perhaps the SEC is just that bad.
Originally posted by EladarYou really need to go back to elementary school and learn how to read; where did I say the Big 12 defenses "suck"? I merely said they don't play consistently hard defense like the best SEC teams do. If rather than run your mouth, you actually watched some games you'd know that's the truth. I don't just "compare stats"; I've watched just about every important Big 12 game this year. And their defenses don't compare with the the best SEC's or USC (who's games I've also watched). This is somewhat reflected in the fact that the Big 12 Champion the last two years gave up 40+ in losing the Fiesta Bowl.
Is it that Big 12 defenses suck or is it that Big 12 offenses are that good? It is only simple minded people who do not take into consideration the competition when comparing stats.
Anyone that claims otherwise is deluded or ignorant.
Originally posted by shortcircuitUSC scored 38 in that game; did you even watch it? Texas' defense was broken all day but their offense managed to put up a few more points. It could happen again between Florida and a Big 12 Champion; I just don't think it will.
Excellent point. Muschamp has done a great job with the Texas defense, even though some of their key members have been injured. In the Big 12, most teams are playing "contain" defenses rather than "stifle" defenses. The reason is that there is no other conference (I will repeat this for No.1's benefit) NO OTHER CONFERENCE in the country that has the cal ...[text shortened]... a game that would eclipse Texas and USC as the best game of this century (so far).
I look at who won the Heisman last year and it was Tebow from Florida, not the "talent" in the Big 12 (though Colt Brennan deserved it).
Neither Texas or Texas Tech teams have an interconference win over a Top 25 team. Oklahoma has a home win over Cincinnati, but they did give up 26 to a team that averages right around that. Florida shut down #23 in the BCS Miami allowing only a FG. USC dominated #10 Ohio State. So to me the jury is still out on the Big 12 teams. Their games are entertaining, but I wouldn't call them great football.
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Originally posted by no1marauderYou are a real piece of work.
USC scored 38 in that game; did you even watch it? Texas' defense was broken all day but their offense managed to put up a few more points. It could happen again between Florida and a Big 12 Champion; I just don't think it will.
I look at who won the Heisman last year and it was Tebow from Florida, not the "talent" in the Big 12 (though Col ...[text shortened]... on the Big 12 teams. Their games are entertaining, but I wouldn't call them great football.
Hell yes I watched the game and I saw USC get it shoved right up their ass on national tv on their home field, by the guy who "should have won the Heisman". Did you happen to notice that in crunch time, the "Heisman winner" was on the bench in favor of Lindale White?
Next topic. Big deal on inter conference games. No one has played a tougher schedule than Texas has...period!! No one has played 5 top 20 teams in one season (although Kansas fell out of the top 20 before Texas got to them). OU, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Kansas...a pretty damn tough murder's row, even you would have to admit. USC hasn't played 5, Penn State didn't, Alabama hasn't and neither has Florida.
Tim Tebow won the Heismann last year. And no, Colt Brennen did not deserve it because he put up numbers against nothings. Get over it!! Tebow MAY win it this year. IF he does, it will more than likely be because of split votes between the Big 12 QB's Harrell, McCoy & Bradford. So what!! Having the Heisman winner does not ensure National Championships...just ask USC.
Originally posted by EladarI think the pollsters compare teams that don't play each other, moron. And so do you when you claim that the SEC is "down" this year. The difference is I actually have some basis of comparison because I watch the games and you really don't have a clue.
no1,
As I said, only a simple minded person would compare teams that don't play each other. They don't even play common opponents. But you can feel secure in your simplistic view of things.
You can even feel secure in your belief that ND's defense doesn't suck.
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Originally posted by shortcircuitYour claim, numbnuts, was that Texas' defense "bent but did not break". In fact, USC moved at will against said defense. Texas won, 41-38; this is hardly a basis to claim that Big 12 champions play great D. On to more recent history: in last year's Fiesta, the Big 12 champion gave up 48 points - the year before, it gave up 43 in the Fiesta. Do you see a pattern here?
You are a real piece of work.
Hell yes I watched the game and I saw USC get it shoved right up their ass on national tv on their home field, by the guy who "should have won the Heisman". Did you happen to notice that in crunch time, the "Heisman winner" was on the bench in favor of Lindale White?
Next topic. Big deal on inter conference games. No what!! Having the Heisman winner does not ensure National Championships...just ask USC.
We'll have to wail until the bowl games to see how tough the Big 12 is. The last two years they've been 8-8 and their champion is 0-2. It's impossible to say how tough their schedule is without being able to compare the teams to strong out of conference foes. If you want to look at how teams have fared against teams currently ranked in the Top 25 of the BCS, Florida is 3-0 and has won each game by at least 23 points.
I know you have a problem remembering what you said, but your claim was that the Big 12 had more talent at QB than the SEC. That hasn't equated to their talented QBs winning a Heisman, however, though it's possible McCoy or Harrell will get it this year. It's amusing that last year you claimed that Brennan was a "system" QB, but this year ignore that all Big 12 QBs play out of the spread which obviously gives them ample opportunity for high passing numbers esp. if the defenses in the Big 12 are below average. But hey, you've never tried to be consistent or even rational; why start now?
Originally posted by no1marauderLook moron...when you have 5 of the top twenty teams in the country in one conference, why in the world would you have to look at comparisons against teams out of conference? Taleneted teams are talented teams, regardless of what conference they are in. Why is this such a tough concept for you to grasp?
Your claim, numbnuts, was that Texas' defense "bent but did not break". In fact, USC moved at will against said defense. Texas won, 41-38; this is hardly a basis to claim that Big 12 champions play great D. On to more recent history: in last year's Fiesta, the Big 12 champion gave up 48 points - the year before, it gave up 43 in the Fiesta. Do you see a ...[text shortened]... rage. But hey, you've never tried to be consistent or even rational; why start now?
Regarding the QB talent in the Big 12....IF you watch as many games and followed what was going on, then you wouldn't have made this uninformed response. Look up the numbers. No, I will not look them up for you, you need the exercise. You will note that the most prolific passers in the nation come from the Big 12 this year. Furthermore, I believe only two of them are graduating this year, (Harrell & Daniel) and McCoy has stated he will return to UT next season. UT, OU, Kansas, Oklahoma State & Baylor will be returning strong QB's next year. The kid replacing Harrell looks to be pretty good as well, although he will lack experience as a starter. Can you name me ANY conference that has more QB's in the top 10? The answer...NO. Harrell, McCoy, Bradford & Daniel have all been mentioned as Heisman candidates on multiple occasions this year. Daniel has fallen out of the race, but all of the others are very much alive along with Tebow. I would say that was a pretty strong sampling from one conference, wouldn't you numbnuts??
Regarding logic, you wouldn't know logic if it jumped up and bit you in the ass. Your logic says whatever you think must be correct. Sorry, wrong answer there chump. Some of the things you are are correct IMO, but some of them are not, hence my rebuttal. Your MO is when you are wrong or backed into a corner, you make it personal with the badmouthing crap. Here you have started it yet again. Well, blow it out your bunghole because it isn't working here.
We'll see how it turns out.
Was Tech that bad or was OU that good? OU has made some improvements on special teams since the Texas game. Too bad it took losing to Texas to make changes.
OU's running game improved quite a bit since then too. It looks like OU found a replacement for Reynolds at Middle Line backer. Now if OU can only beat OSU next week. With OSU you never know.
Yes, Michigan sucked this year. Notre Dame losing to Syracuse was classic. Every Notre Dame loss is even better this year.
Originally posted by EladarFlorida's running up the score against the Citadel was expected. Although you (and only you) think the SEC sucks,the Gators have been the most impressive and balanced team since their 1 point loss to Ole Miss (which smashed LSU on the road).
Good morning! I would have edited my last post to add this, but can't.
Do you really think the Florida game was impressive? They were playing an absolute nobody. OU put up similar numbers against the number 2 team in the nation who had just defeated Texas.
The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D. I still can't see any of them beating Florida, if Florida gets it done against Florida State and Alabama.
ND's loss to Syracues has got to be the final nail in Charley's coffin.