Originally posted by EladarIf Texas Tech was ranked next to Texas, I would agree. However, it is OU and Texas ranked side to side and of the two, Texas deserves to go because of the head to head between those two teams.
The Big Lie is that head to head is what matters.
If you want to play the head to head game taking OU out of consideration, then you must be consistant.
Tech beat Texas: Tech must be ahead of Texas. Head to head.
Originally posted by EladarHopefully they'll lose and maybe get a Cotton Bowl bid. Or even better: they win by a small margin and get flipped out of the BCS.
It looks like the validity of the BCS was saved by the computers. Old Mack wasn't able to get the fix in with the computers.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bcs.htm
Oklahoma is going to represent the South in the Big XII championship game.
Hopefully for those who either don't like OU or like Texas. I'm just glad I'm not a Notre Dame fan. That team can make any homer look stupid.
Having said that, Missouri stands a chance. Bradford has ligament damage to his thumb and OU's MLB is out for 4-6 weeks. Missouri also has the old South West Conference refs on their side. An OU loss is great for Texas.
Originally posted by EladarOOH! A Notre Dame dig; how clever!
Hopefully for those who either don't like OU or like Texas. I'm just glad I'm not a Notre Dame fan. That team can make any homer look stupid.
Having said that, Missouri stands a chance. Bradford has ligament damage to his thumb and OU's MLB is out for 4-6 weeks. Missouri also has the old South West Conference refs on their side. An OU loss is great for Texas.
You should be on your knees (well again) thanking the stars that your favorite team can lose to another team by 10 points on a neutral site and then still pass them somehow even though you trailed them in the ratings for the last month. And somehow still cry about supposed favoritism going the other team's way.🙄
Not a Notre Dame dig, just an honest comment.
As for OU being able to lose a game and still play for the national championship, the same could be said for both Texas and Florida. Florida lost at home to team that isn't even in the top 15. Texas lost to a team that almost lost to Baylor (at home) and got trounced by OU.
It just goes to show that you can't pin your hopes on winning one regular season game. You've got to win that game, then finish the season. Texas didn't do that, so Texas opened the door for OU. This has happened more than once. The only difference this year is that the inside track to the MNC game comes with being the Big XII south representative.
Originally posted by EladarTexas is the better team; as you continue to ignore the Sooner defense is sub par at best. The BCS was supposed to match the two best teams in the Championship game; this year it will fail to do so if Oklahoma wins the Big 12 Championship game. Losing a game is one thing; losing a game on a neutral field to a team and then passing that team based on computer rankings is a travesty. By this type of logic, it's perfectly possible that Florida could beat Alabama but that Alabama could get into the National Championship Game instead of Florida because, after all, Florida has a loss to a worse team than Alabama will! The idiocy of that argument is manifest.
Not a Notre Dame dig, just an honest comment.
As for OU being able to lose a game and still play for the national championship, the same could be said for both Texas and Florida. Florida lost at home to team that isn't even in the top 15. Texas lost to a team that almost lost to Baylor (at home) and got trounced by OU.
It just goes to show that you ca ...[text shortened]... is that the inside track to the MNC game comes with being the Big XII south representative.
Texas is the better team
You are welcome to your opinion. Here is another opinion. It is a Las Vegas opinion. These are the people who set the lines for games.
1. Florida - 114.5
2. Oklahoma - 113.2
3. USC - 113.1
4. Texas - 112.0
5. Penn State - 110.5
6. Alabama - 109.0
You can find these numbers at vegasinsider.com and look at the "Las Vegas Sports Consultants" lates poll.
If you think OU's defense is so terrible, then you should look at Texas' stats. The Texas defense is rated higher, but not by much. If you'll look at individual games against teams like Tech and OSU you'll find there really isn't much difference between the two defenses.
Originally posted by EladarAsk the oddsmakers how much they "made" on the Texas-OU game with OU "covering the spread"? As I recall OU was favored in the game. Now, my question to you is were the oddsmakers wrong then or are they wrong now? DOH!!!!
[b]Texas is the better team
You are welcome to your opinion. Here is another opinion. It is a Las Vegas opinion. These are the people who set the lines for games.
1. Florida - 114.5
2. Oklahoma - 113.2
3. USC - 113.1
4. Texas - 112.0
5. Penn State - 110.5
6. Alabama - 109.0
You can find these numbers at vegasinsider.com and look at the ike Tech and OSU you'll find there really isn't much difference between the two defenses.[/b]
Just listen to the national hype. Most of it is saying the Big 12 is stupid to let the BCS standings decide who is the best team in their own conference. If you still can't comprehend how Texas deserved the slot due to the tie, here it is....
1. Texas beat OU heads up on a neutral field.
2. OU beat the hell out of Texas Tech at home in Norman.
3. Texas lost on a last second play to Texas Tech in Lubbock.
4. Texas is the ONLY team in the conference that was one second away from an undefeated regular season.
5. Texas is the ONLY team that played FOUR consecutive top 10 ranked teams. They lost the 4th game in that series with one second to go in the game AFTER they erased an enormous first half lead at a hostile field when they were playing poorly and Tech played the best game they played all season.
6. Texas Tech, by your own admission was overrated since they barely won home games against Nebraska and Baylor, and got routed by OU in Norman. OU is stronger than hell, by your statement, and Texas beat them by 10 points on a neutral field.
7. Texas is the ONLY team who has already beaten BOTH of the teams that are in the conference championship.
If you cannot understand why Texas has one helluva a legitimate gripe and you cannot understand why Texas got hosed by this decision, then you are too big of a homer to try and reason with.
By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, Texas employs a flex defense that tends to give up yards, but tends to make stands to keep the opposition out of the end zone. Furthermore, for the better part of this season, Texas' offense had no semblence of a ground game, yet they were scoring at a huge pace, and the defenses against them KNEW they were going to pass. They now have a running game to complement the passing attack which makes them even more formidable than they were when they BEAT OU by 10 points.
As I recall OU was favored in the game. Now, my question to you is were the oddsmakers wrong then or are they wrong now? DOH!!!!
The better team doesn't always win. As a matter of fact, the inferior team wins quite a bit. It is like chess. The person with the higher rating isn't going to win all the time. When the ratings are close, the probablity of the inferior player winning goes up. It is less than half the time, but still the inferior player wins.
In the OU vs Texas match up, a key player for OU was lost. When that happens, it helped out Texas.
The 45-35 tactic failed, get over it.
Originally posted by EladarNow who is arguing both ways??? You claim the oddsmakers know what they are talking about, yet they don't. We all know who lost the game and which team beat them in front of the entire nation. OU just preyed on the fact that most of the voting sheep have weak memories. Sure hope OU doesn't screw it up....again!!!
[b]As I recall OU was favored in the game. Now, my question to you is were the oddsmakers wrong then or are they wrong now? DOH!!!!
The better team doesn't always win. As a matter of fact, the inferior team wins quite a bit. It is like chess. The person with the higher rating isn't going to win all the time. When the ratings are close, the proba ...[text shortened]... OU was lost. When that happens, it helped out Texas.
The 45-35 tactic failed, get over it.[/b]
texas and ou and florida all have 1 loss.
there are 4 teams without a loss.
now before you rip my head of saying they are nothing, i seem to remember boise state taking ou in the fiesta bowl last year. they are undefeated. same as alabama, who deserves to be #1, ball state and utah.
Originally posted by EladarI've said it before and I'll say it again; the spread of a game is meant to equalize the amount bet on each team so that the book collects the 10%. It is not meant to measure the strength of teams.
[b]Texas is the better team
You are welcome to your opinion. Here is another opinion. It is a Las Vegas opinion. These are the people who set the lines for games.
1. Florida - 114.5
2. Oklahoma - 113.2
3. USC - 113.1
4. Texas - 112.0
5. Penn State - 110.5
6. Alabama - 109.0
You can find these numbers at vegasinsider.com and look at the ike Tech and OSU you'll find there really isn't much difference between the two defenses.[/b]
EDIT: Here's the Vegas Insider Top 25. http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/top-25/vi/
Guess who's #2 and guess who's #3?
Originally posted by shortcircuitWe certainly know who won and who lost in the Tech game. Tech is better than Texas.
Now who is arguing both ways??? You claim the oddsmakers know what they are talking about, yet they don't. We all know who lost the game and which team beat them in front of the entire nation. OU just preyed on the fact that most of the voting sheep have weak memories. Sure hope OU doesn't screw it up....again!!!