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Originally posted by ChronicLeakyFrom what I can tell, verse was traditionally used to refer to one line of
[b]Verse versus poetry: I have not a [effing -- ed] clue, except that all poetry (in the sense of the competition, but not necessarily in the sense of phrases like "poetic justice", or when Obelix tells Asterix that roses in the helmets of vanquished legionaries are "delicate and poetic" ) is verse, but not necessarily vice versa.
Verse versus en rejected, except for when schachkurghcan'tspellit plagiarised.[/b][/b][/b]
metrical text in a poem. Over the years it's been commonly used as a
synonym to poetry, and ironically enough: free verse is not verse at all, but
completely lacking meter, rhythm and rhyme, or using it sparingly.
I've found that in order to maintain at least the illusion of sanity, I will stay
out of any discussion trying to properly define what poetry really is.
I've been involved in several heated discussions on the subject, and I'm
still none the wiser. In fact, I'm even more uncertain about the true nature
of poetry now than I was when I first started taking an interest in it.
Originally posted by JigtiePlease at all cost, maintain your wits.
From what I can tell, verse was traditionally used to refer to one line of
metrical text in a poem. Over the years it's been commonly used as a
synonym to poetry, and ironically enough: free verse is not verse at all, but
completely lacking meter, rhythm and rhyme, or using it sparingly.
I've found that in order to maintain at least the illusion of s ...[text shortened]... t the true nature
of poetry now than I was when I first started taking an interest in it.
Originally posted by JigtieI'm not trying to define "poetry" the way I think you're using the word: I dodged the question by leaving "poetic" up to the reader -- we know it when we see it.
From what I can tell, verse was traditionally used to refer to one line of
metrical text in a poem. Over the years it's been commonly used as a
synonym to poetry, and ironically enough: free verse is not verse at all, but
completely lacking meter, rhythm and rhyme, or using it sparingly.
I've found that in order to maintain at least the illusion of s ...[text shortened]... t the true nature
of poetry now than I was when I first started taking an interest in it.
In fact, I've never heard of the "one line" of verse interpretation, but it worries me a little, because lines of verse only have metrical structure in relation to one another. The second line of a limerick is merely an eight-syllable phrase until the other lines are present -- one wouldn't say that my use of the eight syllables "merely an eight-syllable phrase" in this sentence is "part of a limerick".
It's hard to pin down what counts as a metrical structure, especially if "verse" refers to "one line of metrical text". Free verse, with this interpretation, is like music whose time signature changes very frequently, which exists and is considered music ("math rock", for example), so there's continuity between "you know it when you see it" verse and "you know it when you see it" prose, with free verse where they meet.
As you can see, I'm also confused about how to define these things, but it's interesting to try to think about what possible definitions of "verse" and "poetry" fail by being inconsistent with "you know it when you see it".
Originally posted by ChronicLeakyJust like a stanza only have symmetry in relation to other stanza's. On
In fact, I've never heard of the "one line" of verse interpretation, but it worries me a little, because lines of verse only have metrical structure in relation to one another.
it's own, it's merely a collection of metrical verses. (Heh, heh...)
Let's not get into this, please? I can agree that we know it when we see
it, and I'd like to add that what's poetry to one person may be
nonsensical rubbish to another.
Prose on the other hand I think is clearly defined. It's simply text written
to mimic, or resemble everyday speech. Some would go so far as to say
that prose and poetry don't mix very well at all, but that all depends on
your definition of poetry now, doesn't it? Prose generally lack the rhythm
and meter associated with poetry, but free verse is sometimes
considered poetry and prose can to some extent be considered free
verse, hence prose can be mixed with free verse to constitute a poetic
work of art.
I told you this is not a good idea.
