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Originally posted by RagnorakNah, Ali just beat up guys so he could get paid well and live the high life. The army couldn't offer that, so he elected to boycott.
Way to completely twist the actual situation.
Here are some quotes from Ali...
"Got nothing against no Viet cong, no Vietnamese ever called me a nigger"
"I ain't draft dodging. I ain't burning no flag. I ain't running to Canada. I'm staying right here. You want to send me to jail? Fine, you go right ahead. I've been in jail for 400 years. I could b half of some white guy who was probably oppressing him at the time.
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Originally posted by wittywonkaTell me you're kidding? Our entire life style and economy are based on OIL. We would turn into a waste land over night. But, have ANY of our politicians come up with a sensible energy policy since the oil shortages in the 70's? We can't even drill for our own oil because of environmental goof balls. We can't build new refineries because of the expense created by new clean air laws. It's a matter of preserving our way of life.
I agree. I'm saying that war does not justify a country's "national interests.
Originally posted by smw6869You are exactly right, we are dependent on oil. And that is what we need to change. We have the ability, just apparently not the motivation.
Tell me you're kidding? Our entire life style and economy are based on OIL. We would turn into a waste land over night. But, have ANY of our politicians come up with a sensible energy policy since the oil shortages in the 70's? We can't even drill for our own oil because of environmental goof balls. We can't build new refineries because of the expense created by new clean air laws. It's a matter of preserving our way of life.
Apparently, it's preferable to disrupt a major region of the world than to resort to energy alternative energies.
Originally posted by wittywonkaThat region was going to be taken over by other Iraqi hating nations who would not sell any oil to the west. Then what?
You are exactly right, we are dependent on oil. And that is what we need to change. We have the ability, just apparently not the motivation.
Apparently, it's preferable to disrupt a major region of the world than to resort to energy alternative energies.
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Originally posted by slimjimYou are making the point that I made to you previoulsy, so I will repeat it as I suspect that you may have overlooked it. As I said Ali knew he wouldn't have to fight yet still stood by his principles, if you are suggesting by your comment that "he knew he would not get jail time beacause he had money to keep him out of jail" that there would be no price to pay, then consider this, they took away his title(s) and stopped him fighting for 2 years. Incidentally the supreme court I believe eventually vindicated him did they not?, but back on the subject, he then won to world title back when everyone expected him to fail, which was a tremendous achievement. not only physical but mentally he was tough the way he beat Foreman with his 'rope a dope'. Using your words you are smoking some real good stuff if you think Ali would have turned into the real good ******(n-word which I am not going to use) rather than stand up to them, which he did. If you think Ali was a coward then I would suggest that you are most likely in a huge minority. If Russ put a vote on 'was Ali a coward' I would sell at 20%. Ali was a true hero and the states should be very proud of him.
If you truly believe the US would have sent Ali to Vietnam then you are smoking some real god stuff. He would have went around bases on some USO tour or something. He should have went to jail and added another 20 to his so-called 400 years in jail🙄. I served with Black's who were just as pissed as I was that he didn't serve. He knew he wouldn't do jail time see his black arse moving anywhere's else. It must not be too bad living here in the US.
Originally posted by slimjimI thought fuel was cheap over there, diesel is about $7.42 a gallon over here in the uk (based on the conversions below) what is it over there?
I bet you I make more money driving my truck than you do where you work at. I just bought a new motor for it at the cost of $25,000.00 and wrote a check for it. It hurt, but it didn't break me. I make over $200,000.00 a year on just my truck alone. Not to mention the other three I own. I'd like to see you drive 65ft of truck in downtown New York City, much l ...[text shortened]... any brains for that right? But you get paid for your higher chess rating right? ROTFLMAO!!!!!
uk pence per litre97.9
litres per gallon3.79
price per gallon £'s3.71041
exchange rate2
$ price7.42082
Originally posted by stevetoddYou're paying out the wazoo in taxes on each gallon of fuel? Social programs aren't free ya know.
I thought fuel was cheap over there, diesel is about $7.42 a gallon over here in the uk (based on the conversions below) what is it over there?
uk pence per litre97.9
litres per gallon3.79
price per gallon £'s3.71041
exchange rate2
$ price7.42082
Originally posted by stevetoddIt is! It's generally about 10 cents less per gallon than petrol at circa 285 cents. But because of the closeness in price, diesel has never yet really taken off in the States, very few diesel cars still. I have a 2.0L Diesel Turbo option for the car I'm working on but we still aren't sure it would market in USA! Shame......
I know most of the cost is tax, that wasn't my point, it was that I thought diesel was very cheap over there, I thought it was less than $4 a gallon?
Originally posted by mikelomMyabe they do a much higher average mileage than over here (uk)?
It is! It's generally about 10 cents less per gallon than petrol at circa 285 cents. But because of the closeness in price, diesel has never yet really taken off in the States, very few diesel cars still. I have a 2.0L Diesel Turbo option for the car I'm working on but we still aren't sure it would market in USA! Shame......