Originally posted by orfeoThey do that in Mexico...no kidding....
Your ignorance of the law is truly breathtaking, if not downright moronic.
For starters, how do you think you determine whether or not a person is an 'illegal fugitive'?
My advice to you is don't travel. Anywhere. Because if you DO, then some official or policeman somewhere might just decide they don't like you, rip up your passport, and throw you in a ...[text shortened]... lain, they'll say "you're here illegally, the due process of law doesn't apply to you".
Originally posted by MaxWaxI was packing peaches in an open-air packing house in Macon, Georgia in June and July in 95 degree heat with 90% humidity back in 1978 and 1979 making 3.35 an hour, the minimum wage back then....I was 17 and 18. The black kids would pick the peaches and get paid by the bushel they picked, and the white kids would seperate them on conveyor belts, pack them onto semi-trailors. It was hard work, but I was young and healthy. I wasn't fat and sendentary from playing with an X-box all day....if we get rid of illegals, trust me, the teenagers and uneducated Americans will flock back to the menial jobs that they once dominated. That's why kids are doing terribly in school: they have NO concept of hard work, therefore, they don't know the true ramifications until they graduate from the "school-off-hard-knocks"....by then, half are in prison, the welfare train, or methed-out.....kudos to the work ethic of the illegals, but they have to do it the right way....can you say Green Card?
I also find it funny that some insinuate that our country would collapse with out the cheap labor.
I submit this question to those who think that: Who was doing those jobs in the 50's 60's 70's before the huge influx of illegals?
Ragnorak fails to see that the reason those undesirable jobs are so undesirable is because the cheap illegal labor force drove those wages down to that postition.
Originally posted by GreyscaleSounds good to me.....enjoy Ho-berg.....
I imigrated to the us when i was 11. Everything was done leagily ect. From the moment i steped onto us soil i was treated like sh8t. At 12 i had to sit in the imfamous black room for 14 hours without food or water because the airports computers had crashed. I had gone n holiday to the virgin islands with my family. When the system finialy came online the i ...[text shortened]... ) existed, causing another hour delay. at 13 i came home. im never setting foot in the us again.
Originally posted by GreyscaleThe Virgin Islands isn't really the U.S. It's just a chit-hole that we have to support.....they contribute nothing.....it's no more than a 3rd-world country with a Hard Rock Cafe and a Pizza Hut......the Green House is a good place to find horny tourists...but stray 3 blocks off the tourist track, and you could be eviscerated and robbed.....
could u at least go to the bathroom. i was 12
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Originally posted by chancremechanicI don't think you (or the original poster of the phrase) really understand what 'due process' MEANS. It's got absolutely nothing to do with cell phones and apartments.
They have basic human rights, that's all.....what more do you want them to have ?...a cell phone, i-pod, apartment?🙄
Originally posted by chancremechanicCurrently Illegal immigrants do have the right to due process.
They have basic human rights, that's all.....what more do you want them to have ?...a cell phone, i-pod, apartment?🙄
"In June of 2001, in Zadvydas v. Davis, et al, 121 S. Ct. 2491, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the then-INS (currently the USCIS) could not indefinitely detain individuals who have been ordered removed from the U.S. but who cannot be repatriated to their homelands."
Despite Attorney General Ashcroft's claims that they don't he cannot himself overrule this decision without a law passing or a Supreme Court Decision. The proposed law we are discussing in this thread (which you seem to keep forgetting is the subject of this thread) would change this.
Originally posted by orfeoWE give assylum seekers due process. Illegal immigrants are criminals and are treated as such, under "due" process"...what more can I say or do you want to hear?
I don't think you (or the original poster of the phrase) really understand what 'due process' MEANS. It's got absolutely nothing to do with cell phones and apartments.
Originally posted by XanthosNZLook, our laws are F**ed-up, OK. Plain and simple. If we encounter an illegal alien, lock him up and deport him/her ASAP....case closed....
Currently Illegal immigrants do have the right to due process.
"In June of 2001, in Zadvydas v. Davis, et al, 121 S. Ct. 2491, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the then-INS (currently the USCIS) could not indefinitely detain individuals who have been ordered removed from the U.S. but who cannot be repatriated to their homelands."
Despite Attorney Gen ...[text shortened]... thread (which you seem to keep forgetting is the subject of this thread) would change this.
Originally posted by chancremechanicBeing an illegal alien is not a crime. You will not be sent to jail if discovered as an illegal immigrant, you will not be fined by a court. You will be sent to your home country or if you can prove certain conditions (Have lived in the US for > 10 years, have had good moral character in that period, haven't commited certain crimes and can show that removal would result in exceptional and extremely unusual hardship to his or her US citizen/permanent resident spouse, children, or parent) you may be granted a green card. Illegal aliens are not criminals by definition although they may be for other reasons.
WE give assylum seekers due process. Illegal immigrants are criminals and are treated as such, under "due" process"...what more can I say or do you want to hear?
You know it's a sad state of affairs for America when someone from the outside knows more of the law than the people who live there.
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Originally posted by XanthosNZLook, smartass, I know all about the liberal jibberish you spludged from your pie-hole....listen up....An Illegal alien is a criminal. It's call "Criminal Tresspassing" Do you know the meaning of ILLEGAL? They cross the border illegally, hence they are illegal. They break the sovereign laws of the US by crossing the border Illegally. If I did the same thing in Mexico, I'd be thrown in Jail and left to rot, because Mexico has no human rights watch-dogs.....Just enjoy NZ, and quit pretending you know what the hell is going on here in the US....
Being an illegal alien is not a crime. You will not be sent to jail if discovered as an illegal immigrant, you will not be fined by a court. You will be sent to your home country or if you can prove certain conditions (Have lived in the US for > 10 years, have had good moral character in that period, haven't commited certain crimes and can show that remova or America when someone from the outside knows more of the law than the people who live there.
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Originally posted by chancremechanicThis is the basic legal point you don't understand. Illegal and criminal are NOT the same thing. Ironically, it's you that don't know the meaning of ILLEGAL.
Look, smartass, I know all about the liberal jibberish you spludged from your pie-hole....listen up....An Illegal alien is a criminal. It's call "Criminal Tresspassing" Do you know the meaning of ILLEGAL? They cross the border illegally, hence they are illegal. They break the sovereign laws of the US by crossing the border Illegally.
A person who enters a country unlawfully/illegally is liable to be deported, yes. They may be administratively detained to facilitate that deportation, yes. But this does not mean - and never has meant - that they are a criminal. To be a criminal, you have to be CONVICTED - which in the US at least involves a trial and a verdict.
Only courts have the ability to convict people. I'm sure you've heard of separation of powers, Americans are quite fond of it.
If illegal immigrants were charged with a crime, it would be contempt of court to deport them in the meantime.