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Originally posted by dfm65Well, the New Zealand laws (and others) don't create a situation where someone could be detained without periodic review.
i'm not so sure that Australian law was at fault, just the interpretation of it by some bureaucrats...
The bureaucrats in Australia COULD have been smart and seen to it that there was a systematic admnistrative review on a regular basis, but they didn't - at least not properly. It was left to their discretion.
In New Zealand, Canada and South Africa this simply can't happen. The law sets out exactly how long someone can be detained before their case comes back before a court or tribunal or board or whatever, to check whether the detention should continue. If that doesn't happen, the detention is no longer lawful. The authorities have to actively DO something on a regular basis.
[Actually I think in South Africa there's an absolute limit on detention as well. Can't remember off the top of my head for NZ.]
The fundamental difference is that detention here in Australia is mandatory. So (until now) the law has acted like there is nothing to decide or review. We now of course realise there ARE things that need review, like 'does this person actually meet the criteria for being an illegal immigrant'. This was the problem with Cornelia Rau - no-one figured out that she WASN'T an illegal, because once they'd made up their mind the first time there was no obligation to re-check.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageEr, ranting seems a favourite XZaNyPMS pastime, Bossy... Embedded deconstructionism would more likely and productively be applied to the fingernail splinters that have penetrated his lacrimal bone 😉
That embedded "errant" must be one of your playful deconstructionist puns.
I also find it funny that some insinuate that our country would collapse with out the cheap labor.
I submit this question to those who think that: Who was doing those jobs in the 50's 60's 70's before the huge influx of illegals?
Ragnorak fails to see that the reason those undesirable jobs are so undesirable is because the cheap illegal labor force drove those wages down to that postition.
Originally posted by MaxWaxI imigrated to the us when i was 11. Everything was done leagily ect. From the moment i steped onto us soil i was treated like sh8t. At 12 i had to sit in the imfamous black room for 14 hours without food or water because the airports computers had crashed. I had gone n holiday to the virgin islands with my family. When the system finialy came online the ignorant customs official did not belive that the country i come from (South Africa) existed, causing another hour delay. at 13 i came home. im never setting foot in the us again.
I am laughing because some in here are insinuating that Illegals have some kind of right to a due proccess of law in America.
That due process of law applies to American Citizens not illegal fugitives.
Originally posted by GreyscaleI'm sorry you had to go through that crap. Do you think the customs official should have allowed you entrance into the country with the computers down? I don't think so!
I imigrated to the us when i was 11. Everything was done leagily ect. From the moment i steped onto us soil i was treated like sh8t. At 12 i had to sit in the imfamous black room for 14 hours without food or water because the airports computers had crashed. I had gone n holiday to the virgin islands with my family. When the system finialy came online the i ...[text shortened]... ) existed, causing another hour delay. at 13 i came home. im never setting foot in the us again.
Originally posted by GreyscaleWell what were they supposed to do. Give you room to the Ritz. One time I was stuck in France because of my paperwork. I don't blame the customs man for the crappy room I had to sit in till everything was fixed. Do want a little cheese with that whine?
Does not mean that you treat me like sh8t. Im a guest in your country.
Originally posted by slimjimcould u at least go to the bathroom. i was 12
Well what were they supposed to do. Give you room to the Ritz. One time I was stuck in France because of my paperwork. I don't blame the customs man for the crappy room I had to sit in till everything was fixed. Do want a little cheese with that whine?
Originally posted by MaxWaxYour ignorance of the law is truly breathtaking, if not downright moronic.
That due process of law applies to American Citizens not illegal fugitives.
For starters, how do you think you determine whether or not a person is an 'illegal fugitive'?
My advice to you is don't travel. Anywhere. Because if you DO, then some official or policeman somewhere might just decide they don't like you, rip up your passport, and throw you in a cell somewhere. And when you complain, they'll say "you're here illegally, the due process of law doesn't apply to you".