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Originally posted by no1marauderActually, the view is a rough one. I am in a worse predicament than you are. I can say this....playing Venice, I now know much more about its strengths and weaknesses.
Trying to keep things interesting; the thread was halfway down Page 2!
BTW, how's the view from Venice in the Veterans game? What turn are you on in that one?
I am facing down against Sicily, Arles, Bavaria, Hungary and the Mamlukes. Siciliy and Arles by blatant deceipt (Gots can tell you on the mass letter Claes sent out) while Bavaria is trying to bully me out of provinces and Hungary started out with the full on threat of expanding to Dalmatia. The Mamlukes just jumped on the Sicily/Arles wagon with no warning. I certainly understand why, however. And there is no waffling back and forth like a few in our game have done.... They are all steadfast in their path.
I have allies from which to draw, but I dont know how useful they will be. Byzantine and the Horde can only do so much from where they are. France is non-commital, as is Roum. I have friendly relations with several others, but none that will commit to any sort of action.
Gonna be interesting. I am sure that I will lose ground before I can gain any back.
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Originally posted by KnightWulfeNot too different from my position as Arles--although I only have two realms (Bavaria and Venice) attacking me, France having made peace (I got to win one battle at least). My chances are slim, but I haven't ruled survival out completely. Bavaria has a vigorous enemy in Poland.
Actually, the view is a rough one. I am in a worse predicament than you are. I can say this....playing Venice, I now know much more about its strengths and weaknesses.
Supposedly, Arles and the Hafsid Caliphate are the most difficult realms to play. The Hafsid is also being shredded in my game.
How do the experienced players smell new blood I wonder. I think it starts with the pre-game diplomacy.
Originally posted by GottschalkThat is really odd. Both Arles and Sicily declared war on me without attacking and Sicily (Claes) has gone a second turn without attacking me. He could have waltzed into Tuscany with little effort as well.
Well. silence is NEVER a good idea if you are my neighbor in the beginning. Neither is declaring war BEFORE attacking, BDN 🙂
If Claes is an experienced player, what reason would their be for him declaring war on me, but not attacking at all for 2 turns?
Originally posted by KnightWulfeWithout actually seeing a turnfile and the disposition of forces, it's hard to say. If you want to take another realm out, it's best to hit with overwhelming force. Perhaps all the nations allied against you are waiting to coordinate one big push rather than piecemeal attacks which risk defeat in detail.
That is really odd. Both Arles and Sicily declared war on me without attacking and Sicily (Claes) has gone a second turn without attacking me. He could have waltzed into Tuscany with little effort as well.
If Claes is an experienced player, what reason would their be for him declaring war on me, but not attacking at all for 2 turns?
Originally posted by no1marauderI know that Sicily and Arles are working together, and possibly with Bavaria, but I know the Hungary is alone. The Hungarian war was on my and my allies initiative. GH and Byz and I hit him at the same time, so he lost much of his force and is in the same situation as I am, accept that I have a couple more with whom I must deal. All in all, I am not fairing as badly as I thought I would be last turn after I was at war with 4 nations. We will have to see what happens now.
Without actually seeing a turnfile and the disposition of forces, it's hard to say. If you want to take another realm out, it's best to hit with overwhelming force. Perhaps all the nations allied against you are waiting to coordinate one big push rather than piecemeal attacks which risk defeat in detail.
Originally posted by KnightWulfeOkay, Claes is THE experienced player, but he likes to declare war where no war actually occurs, too. The first time he and I shared a game, he was Aquitaine and I was Norway. I attacked and captured Denmark's capital on the very first move (the Dane never thought to respond to my emails...) and Claes was offended. He thought it was a terribly unsportsmanlike thing to do with independent territories around that I could have taken. So, he declared war and ripped me a new one in his proclamation, despite the fact that our realms were nowhere near each other.
That is really odd. Both Arles and Sicily declared war on me without attacking and Sicily (Claes) has gone a second turn without attacking me. He could have waltzed into Tuscany with little effort as well.
If Claes is an experienced player, what reason would their be for him declaring war on me, but not attacking at all for 2 turns?
I contacted him after reading his week 2 proclamation and explained myself to him and he and I barely had enough time to go neutral and then ally to him before he was eliminated by a coalition of realms that found this posturing by him to be really pompous and arrogant.
I know that Claes, in the same game we three share, KnightWulfe, has done a similar thing to the Norwegians and Danes.
One possibility is that he needed to declare war to keep your fleets from moving beyond where he wanted them to move. Warring fleets fight, of course, whereas neutral ones do not. He has seen Venice gut Sicily early. (He was the Hafsids and I was Venice in one game and the Sicilian didn't last through turn three.) It may have been to defend against that.
Sicily is, in my opinion, a true offensive power, since the most cost effective defensive unit, the archer or crossbowman, can not be built by them until they capture Rome.
Originally posted by no1marauderSo you *do* understand this concept.
Without actually seeing a turnfile and the disposition of forces, it's hard to say. If you want to take another realm out, it's best to hit with overwhelming force. Perhaps all the nations allied against you are waiting to coordinate one big push rather than piecemeal attacks which risk defeat in detail.
Why then have you been taunting all of us "morons" for doing the same?
Originally posted by GottschalkSo I'm glad to see that you get this concept and being something that people ordinarily do. But we went this entire game suffering under no1's pomposity and arrogance, and you think allying against him is childish.
I contacted him after reading his week 2 proclamation and explained myself to him and he and I barely had enough time to go neutral and then ally to him before he was eliminated by a coalition of realms that found this posturing by him to be really pompous and arrogant.
Originally posted by KnightWulfeIt's a way too keep another nation under control. Apparently they don't want you acting aggressively and are forcing you to defend your borders. Were you about to attack someone they like?
That is really odd. Both Arles and Sicily declared war on me without attacking and Sicily (Claes) has gone a second turn without attacking me. He could have waltzed into Tuscany with little effort as well.
If Claes is an experienced player, what reason would their be for him declaring war on me, but not attacking at all for 2 turns?