Originally posted by KnightWulfeA conclusion I drew myself?? From page 108:
Dong of Venice,
There has never been any admittance or confirmation of any lie concerning Poland. It was a conclusion you drew yourself.
As to the Polish help, it was late arriving because of an Aragonese issue I had to deal with that was unexpected. The forces did, in fact, arrive, they were just late to the party. Other arrangements have since been ...[text shortened]... ....this silly name calling thing is getting rather old... For everyone's sake, lets just stop.
KW: Gee, would not have anything do do with a bargan struck with the new ruler to aid him with the Teutons in return..... Hmmm...
Bavarian "aid" always seem to come too late for their "allies". Has a single realm gained a single province due to Bavarian "aid"?
Originally posted by PhlabibitNo, no, no, that's not the lie I was referring to.
As for the lie by Bosse, it cut our fleet deep. It was treachery. Doge might be a pain in the ass for you cry-babies, but at least he's been honest.
In any event, you knocked those Magyar fiddlers straight back into the water. The crushing blow to Venice came by land, nu?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageLoss of the Adriatric for that one turn meant we could not reinforce Venice by sea; it might have been tenable to hold it under those circumstances or to have at least fought a battle under more equal conditions.
No, no, no, that's not the lie I was referring to.
In any event, you knocked those Magyar fiddlers straight back into the water. The crushing blow to Venice came by land, nu?
Originally posted by no1marauderWhy did you split your fleet at that crucial moment? You were clearly uncertain of my loyalty, since you neglected to tell me about your sideshow in Roum (although ironically we both had the same idea).
Loss of the Adriatric for that one turn meant we could not reinforce Venice by sea; it might have been tenable to hold it under those circumstances or to have at least fought a battle under more equal conditions.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYou can't win just being on the defensive esp. when your main enemies already have bigger armies and more production than you. I saw an opportunity to grab some province Gold value in Asia Minor AND to eliminate the threat of Roum once and for all. That seemed (and still seems) like a smart play; as long as Roum had large naval forces nearby, Calabria had to be heavily defended anyway. As you know, I never thought I would hold Venice for as long as I did and certainly didn't expect it to hold after the Poles entered the war unless I got some substantial allied help or events elsewhere diverted my enemies' forces.
Why did you split your fleet at that crucial moment? You were clearly uncertain of my loyalty, since you neglected to tell me about your sideshow in Roum (although ironically we both had the same idea).
So rather than sit and await the blow, I acted. I did not inform you of the Roum invasion for obvious reasons (you had just discussed cutting a deal with the Bavaria and Saxony even though you were denying it). I could not see how helping the Hungarians served your interests, so I ran the risk. You haven't gained a piece of territory since you broke up the Med Alliance so it's hard to say what you've gained.
Originally posted by no1marauderAs you say, I had nothing to gain (I'm still at war with Hungary!). Was it sheer perversity or a mistake? I've had enough of protesting my innocence, so I'll leave it to you to decide. However I may add that I made another mistake in the last turn--I intended, and could have sworn I'd issued the orders, to attack Libya--but that failed to occur. Seems I need to take extra care where ships are concerned. I hope Morocco is not offended!
I could not see how helping the Hungarians served your interests, so I ran the risk. You haven't gained a piece of territory since you broke up the Med Alliance so it's hard to say what you've gained.
Originally posted by no1marauderYes, the conclusion that I must be lying is a conclusion that you drew yourself. As I stated, forces arrived late. Other arrangements have been made.
A conclusion I drew myself?? From page 108:
KW: Gee, would not have anything do do with a bargan struck with the new ruler to aid him with the Teutons in return..... Hmmm...
Bavarian "aid" always seem to come too late for their "allies". Has a single realm gained a single province due to Bavarian "aid"?
Originally posted by KnightWulfeYour lies are sooooooooo pathetic. You've been building troops in Ratisbon and moving them to Italy; you never attempted to aid Poland against the Teutons. Even a cursory glance at prior turnfiles reveals that. If Poland can send an army to Italy in time, there's no reason for a Bavarian army to "arrive late" to Poland. You're being ridiculous.
Yes, the conclusion that I must be lying is a conclusion that you drew yourself. As I stated, forces arrived late. Other arrangements have been made.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou are correct....that explains the 1415CS worth of troops that were one province away when I was betrayed by the Teutons, my supposed ally.
Your lies are sooooooooo pathetic. You've been building troops in Ratisbon and moving them to Italy; you never attempted to aid Poland against the Teutons. Even a cursory glance at prior turnfiles reveals that. If Poland can send an army to Italy in time, there's no reason for a Bavarian army to "arrive late" to Poland. You're being ridiculous.
Sorry if your opinion of Aragon is not a reason for delay, but I consider Aragon as an enemy to be a threat. I am sure that you would too of his troops were on your border threatening to push in and already being at war with you.
Originally posted by KnightWulfeGee, how were YOU betrayed by the Teutons??
You are correct....that explains the 1415CS worth of troops that were one province away when I was betrayed by the Teutons, my supposed ally.
Sorry if your opinion of Aragon is not a reason for delay, but I consider Aragon as an enemy to be a threat. I am sure that you would too of his troops were on your border threatening to push in and already being at war with you.