Originally posted by eldragonflyI haven't heard a good argument from the meat eaters yet that doesn't revolve around the fact of self enjoyment over pain and misery.
yeah, they are acting like sissyboys, but that's just my opinion. win an argument with a "mmmboy! eat meat it tastes good" deranged selfish fool, or a psychopathic sub-human hunter and animal killer. yeesh.
Being selfish must be very important on the old list.
Originally posted by eldragonflyIt's certainly preferable to have the animal live out its existence free in the wild, and then have it all suddenly come to an end with a hunter's bullet.
Mimor pay attention! There is no such thing as ethical murder, get it together man. And i find it rather strange that you seek to "classify" different types of ignorance, putting some retarded selfish sub-human who hunt his next meal with a loaded gun or worse, on a pedestal above the mindless consumption of food.
Preferable, that is, to raising animals in captivity...knee-deep in their own feces, pumping them full of hormones and antibiotics and then slitting their throats in a slaughterhouse.
Not desirable, but preferable.
Originally posted by WoodgieActually, Mr. Mikelom made a good argument (in my opinion) that was rather simple:
I haven't heard a good argument from the meat eaters yet that doesn't revolve around the fact of self enjoyment over pain and misery.
Being selfish must be very important on the old list.
"Innocent animals, as you put it, kill others to satisfy their base desire also. It is fortunate we are at the top of the chain to choose..."
And don't forget what Kurt said:
"It's okay to eat fish because they haven't any feelings."
Originally posted by WoodgieI'd say you'd still have much better chances to convince someone that way than by calling them "retarded selfish sub-human". The latter is a pretty sure way to make them blind and deaf to whatever you have to say.
Pretty much like the cries of lab animals.
I worked with two girls who used to laugh when they did it, do you think they listened.
Originally posted by WoodgieYes. i was going to throw in the ideas of blind consumerism and blatant commercialism into the mix also, but the tired obfuscations in evidence here lead nowhere.
I haven't heard a good argument from the meat eaters yet that doesn't revolve around the fact of self enjoyment over pain and misery.
Being selfish must be very important on the old list.
Originally posted by NordlysNordlys i disagree, and strongly so. There clearly is a lack of commonsense and respect that your comical protrayal affords them, the redundant and oafish commentary isn't even worthy of comment.
I'd say you'd still have much better chances to convince someone that way than by calling them "retarded selfish sub-human". The latter is a pretty sure way to make them blind and deaf to whatever you have to say.
Originally posted by eldragonflyIn my short life I have a lot of time for folk like you.
Nordlys i disagree, and strongly so. There clearly is a lack of commonsense and respect that your comical protrayal affords them, the redundant and oafish commentary isn't even worthy of comment.
Would you be prepared for an animal to suffer for your words presented here?
In my experience, the people you are describing won't take it out on you but the things around them.
Originally posted by rbmorrisYou cannot quantify suffering or put a "pricetag' on life, or just find it convenient to ignore crimes against nature, no matter what forms it takes. Here, let's take a second look at your sadistic viewpoint.
It's certainly preferable to have the animal live out its existence free in the wild, and then have it all suddenly come to an end with a hunter's bullet.
"Hunting purely for your sadistic enjoyment and fun is disgusting and babaric, and hearing this innocent bear cry from such a sensless cruel and wasteful kill is just gut wrenching."
Originally posted by Woodgiewell then if you agree obviously it is *beyond* silly to placate these selfish macaroons, and it is wrong to coddle them and dance around the truth.
In my short life I have a lot of time for folk like you.
Would you be prepared for an animal to suffer for your words presented here?
In my experience, the people you are describing won't take it out on you but the things around them.