Originally posted by nmdavidbHumans aren't an endangered species either, so I guess it's okay if I kill off some of them. They probably taste good, too.
Just looked...can't find Cow on there anywhere.
http://www.earthsendangered.com/list.asp
And for the record I do not think I have killed or eaten anything on that list.
Dave
Originally posted by nmdavidbDo you ever think that you might just be wrong, or are you that completely convinced that what you are doing is right?
Just looked...can't find Cow on there anywhere.
http://www.earthsendangered.com/list.asp
And for the record I do not think I have killed or eaten anything on that list.
Dave
(Don't take the above the wrong way, it just a question that two drinking buddies might have).
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Originally posted by WoodgieIt's not a question of "right and wrong". It is an accepted practice to eat beef. Has been for a long time. Just because some others do not like it does not have anything to do with me.
Do you ever think that you might just be wrong, or are you that completely convinced that what you are doing is right?
(Don't take the above the wrong way, it just a question that two drinking buddies might have).
I absolutely hate Wal-Mart for what they have done to this country...but will I give somebody crap for shopping there? No. it's their American right to shop where they want to.
Same as for me going to the store and buying steaks.
Dave
Originally posted by mikelomNon-human animals kill because they have no other choice for survival. A lion can't opt to graze instead of kill.
Innocent animals, as you put it, kill others to satisfy their base desire also. It is fortunate we are at the top of the chain to choose, because I love eating tiger testicles, the groin of deer, shark's fin soup and deep fried snake. Yum yum! 😏😏
Humans do have a choice and we have awareness. We can choose not to add to suffering in this world and we can refuse to support the filth, cruelty and wastefulness that goes along with the meat industry. We also have the capacity to anticipate the long-term results of our actions.
I am a vegetarian because I choose to be and certainly can't make that choice for anyone else. But I believe that anyone who denies or makes light of the suffering of another creature in order to satisfy an unnecessary desire, is choosing to be less than he or she can be.
Originally posted by MimorThat was actually one of the only posts in this thread from a vegetarian that made sense.
Non-human animals kill because they have no other choice for survival. A lion can't opt to graze instead of kill.
Humans do have a choice and we have awareness. We can choose not to add to suffering in this world and we can refuse to support the filth, cruelty and wastefulness that goes along with the meat industry. We also have the capacity to anticip ...[text shortened]... ature in order to satisfy an unnecessary desire, is choosing to be less than he or she can be.
You made a decision...and I respect that.
Dave
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Originally posted by MimorI haven't made light at all anywhere in this thread or made reference to animal torture or the way animals are killed (not murdered). So please don't make inference that I did. For your information I don't eat tiger testicles and wouldn't eat endangered species. Cows are not endangered, and a bred for consumption in a very controlled manner. I like meat! I will eat meat until the day I die and enjoy it tremendously.
Non-human animals kill because they have no other choice for survival. A lion can't opt to graze instead of kill.
Humans do have a choice and we have awareness. We can choose not to add to suffering in this world and we can refuse to support the filth, cruelty and wastefulness that goes along with the meat industry. We also have the capacity to anticip ature in order to satisfy an unnecessary desire, is choosing to be less than he or she can be.
The long term results will be that there is still plenty of land for fattening cows and still plenty of abbatoirs to slice them up and serve my juicy joint! Live with it. I have to 😛
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Originally posted by nmdavidbOk.
It's not a question of "right and wrong". It is an accepted practice to eat beef. Has been for a long time. Just because some others do not like it does not have anything to do with me.
I absolutely hate Wal-Mart for what they have done to this country...but will I give somebody crap for shopping there? No. it's their American right to shop where they want to.
Same as for me going to the store and buying steaks.
Dave
It is all down to instinct I suppose.
Not that you answered my question, but everything we do is either right or wrong.
The fact you cannot see that shows why you eat meat.
Originally posted by WoodgieNot "instinct"...but taste and choice.
Ok.
It is all down to instinct I suppose.
Not that you answered my question, but everything we do is either right or wrong.
The fact you cannot see that shows why you eat meat.
Anyone telling me what I can and can't eat when what i do eat is an accepted part of culture is wrong.
Some people believe it is wrong...I believe it is ok.
Some people believe in the bible's god...I believe in a higher power.
Some people believe that 1.d4 is the best...i believe in 1.e4
I do not push my beliefs onto other people...and to do that to me is wrong.
Dave
Originally posted by nmdavidbDo you see conversations as people trying to force their point of view onto you?
Not "instinct"...but taste and choice.
Anyone telling me what I can and can't eat when what i do eat is an accepted part of culture is wrong.
Some people believe it is wrong...I believe it is ok.
Some people believe in the bible's god...I believe in a higher power.
Some people believe that 1.d4 is the best...i believe in 1.e4
I do not push my beliefs onto other people...and to do that to me is wrong.
Dave
Not that I am trying to teach you anything, but is that how you responded to your teachers at school?
I would buy you a beer if I was near you, that's if you wanted a real tree hugging veggie buying you beer that it is.