Originally posted by Ice ColdWARNING! This post may contain scenes which some vegetarians may find disturbing.
He said meat, that was pretty cool.
Uh huh huh huh huh ahhh.....
Don't you just adore a succulent sirloin, medium rare, with pink meat and blood oozing out as you slice it. Then it melts in your mouth as you molars crush the fibres into meat slime as it floats down your neck. Whoa! I know what I'm eating for lunch. 😏
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Counterpoint, aren't trees and plants also living organisms that provide the oxygen we breathe only a daily basis? What makes it OK to harvest them and not animals? Only because they are rooted in place, making them easier prey? Foraging is the lazy man's hunting. "Be very, very quiet, I'm hunting berries. huhuhuhuhuh!" If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, doesn't mean it still doesn't scream, "Oh, crap!" Trees and plants are just as much a diminishing resource as any animal or energy source. Look at the rainforests that are getting destroyed, lack of habitat is a major cause of animals becoming endangered species.
If animals and humans were created is as equals, my dog would have thumbs, be able to let himself in and I'd have to wrestle him for the TV remote when I got home from work. Until then all of God's creatures have a place in this world....right next to the potatoes and gravy.
Originally posted by vacostnerIf animals and humans were created is as equals, you'd be a lot smarter.
If animals and humans were created is as equals, my dog would have thumbs, be able to let himself in and I'd have to wrestle him for the TV remote when I got home from work. Until then all of God's creatures have a place in this world....right next to the potatoes and gravy.
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Originally posted by rbmorrisGood one, think you should have offered that advice to the Grizzly Man before a bear made a meal out of him. At least he proved his daddy wrong that he'd never amount to crap in his lifetime. Well, I guess technically he didn't.
If animals and humans were created is as equals, you'd be a lot smarter.
Originally posted by vacostnervacoster plants and trees don't breathe, they create oxygen via photosynthesis.
Counterpoint, aren't trees and plants also living organisms that provide the oxygen we breathe only a daily basis? What makes it OK to harvest them and not animals? Only because they are rooted in place, making them easier prey? Foraging is the lazy man's hunting. "Be very, very quiet, I'm hunting berries. huhuhuhuhuh!" If a tree falls in the woods and nob ...[text shortened]... f God's creatures have a place in this world....right next to the potatoes and gravy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotosynthesisCarbon dioxide is produced by all animals, plants, fungi and microorganisms during respiration and is used by plants during photosynthesis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxidewhat "makes it okay" is that plants don't have a nervous system, don't suffer, and aren't barbarically slaughtered by the millions in horrendous factory farm conditions.
In fact a fruit will often fall off of a tree or bush of it's own accord, you can then pick it up and eat it. Slaughtering animals confined under cruel and barbaric conditions is not the same as foraging for fruit and vegetables.
the rest of your post is pure nonsense, your evasive response is rather irrelvant, touching... and comical.
Originally posted by MimorGood post Mimor.
...Humans do have a choice and we have awareness. We can choose not to add to suffering in this world and we can refuse to support the filth, cruelty and wastefulness that goes along with the meat industry. We also have the capacity to anticipate the long-term results of our actions.
I am a vegetarian because I choose to be and certainly can't make that c ...[text shortened]... eature in order to satisfy an unnecessary desire, is choosing to be less than he or she can be.
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Originally posted by eldragonflyWhere did I say that plants breathe? As you state, they put off the oxygen we breathe through photosynthesis. They might not have a nervous system, but look at what destruction of the rainforest and other habitat closer to home has done to other aspects of the environment; global warming, overpopulated animals living in the backyards of suburbia, etc.
vacoster plants and trees don't breathe, they create oxygen via photosynthesis.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotosynthesisCarbon dioxide is produced by all animals, plants, fungi and microorganisms during respiration and is used by plants during photosynthesis.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxidewhat "makes it okay" ...[text shortened]... ost is pure nonsense, your evasive response is rather irrelvant, touching... and comical.
I'll go ahead and say it, hunting is a hobby of mine. No, it's a passion. I consider myself a conservationist. I do my best to leave the woods better than when I stepped foot in them. If I see a piece of trash, I'll pick it up and properly dispose of it. Hunting to me isn't necessarily about the harvest of an animal, it's about appreciating the outdoors and all its creation. When I do take down an animal, it's as quick and as efficient as possible. And yes, I consume any animal that I do harvest and I do not harvest more than I can consume between seasons.
Death is death anyway you look at it, not really anyway than you can make it a pleasurable event for the dying. So to say it's barbaric is kind of redundant in itself. Is there any difference in a tree being taken down by a chainsaw or a tornado? The end result is the same, same goes for the harvesting of animals.
Well, last night my subscription renewed for another year
so if I may enter this thread...
I enjoy meat.
I do not view meat as murder.
I remember waaaayyyyy back when (about 350 years ago) we were hunting and gathering and
there was some vegetarian tribesman that we constantly made fun of
for not eating flying squirrel.
He might have been the first vegetarian.
On an honest note...I was golfing this weekend with my step-father
in San Diego and at the Carmel Mountain Ranch Country Club
they have some of the best hot wings that I've ever had.
Now, I consider myself to be a connoisseur of hot wings.
I've eaten them all over the world---wherever they may make them.
The chef at the country club is one of the best at preparing hot wings.
Hot wings and cold beer---damn, I am soooo hungry right now!
Originally posted by vacostnerYou make interesting points.
Where did I say that plants breathe? As you state, they put off the oxygen we breathe through photosynthesis. They might not have a nervous system, but look at what destruction of the rainforest and other habitat closer to home has done to other aspects of the environment; global warming, overpopulated animals living in the backyards of suburbia, etc.
ainsaw or a tornado? The end result is the same, same goes for the harvesting of animals.
If I were to eat meat, I would rather eat an animal that has been hunted than one that has been factory-farmed all its life. A wild animal that grows up free to engage in its natural behaviors and meets its end at the hands of a predator who consumes it entirely (or as much as possible to minimize waste) is far preferable to the life of a commodity animal that has been stressed, abused and drug-laden for its entire, miserable, feces-encrusted existence.
With regard to plants, a great deal of vegetation is grown or chopped down in order to feed the cattle upon which we feed. Waste and consumption are greatly decreased when we bypass the cattle and get our calories directly from plants and grains.
Like I said before, I'm not here to convert anyone. I just think its important that people choose what's right for themselves with full awareness. I think many people would rather remain ignorant of the whole meat-processing process and the ramifications in order not to have to be uncomfortable with their choices. A person who hunts his food (ethically - you know, not wasting or destroying populations) and consumes all he kills can't help but be fully cognizant of the process.
It's not my choice but I have far less of a problem with that than with mindless, ignorant consumption.