The Game Mods

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Say your sample consists of 5000 games. That's probably too small (you can't make any judgements based on one game by a player. Therefore you need at least a couple of times the number of active players) for what you want but let's assume.

Now say the average number of half moves per game that aren't opening is 70 (35 moves for each player).

I h ...[text shortened]... to get any reasonable analysis.

So we are looking at 5000*0.5*70/60 = 2917 computer hours

Looks discouraging, a work week is 40 hours, 2917/40 is about 73 volunteers ... Monumental task, thanks for the input ...

Originally posted by KneverKnight
Looks discouraging, a work week is 40 hours, 2917/40 is about 73 volunteers ... Monumental task, thanks for the input ...

That's 73 volunteers with top of the line computers that they are willing to have occupied for 40 hours.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Say your sample consists of 5000 games. That's probably too small (you can't make any judgements based on one game by a player. Therefore you need at least a couple of times the number of active players) for what you want but let's assume.

Now say the average number of half moves per game that aren't opening is 70 (35 moves for each player).

I h ...[text shortened]... to get any reasonable analysis.

So we are looking at 5000*0.5*70/60 = 2917 computer hours

Another do-nothing approach. I've given the results for all 646 of my games already, giving approximate expected percentages of matchups to Fritz's top move or a close equivalent (less than .05). These numbers are probably skewed at the top, but that would be giving usernames the benefit of the doubt. ALL games don't need to be reviewed, that's absurd. I gave some criteria long ago: players who show a sharp, unexplained rise, players who join and have long unbeaten streaks and those who complaints are filed against backed by Game Analysis. 73 mods working a week just to get approximate figures? Please.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
That's 73 volunteers with top of the line computers that they are willing to have occupied for 40 hours.

I hear you, this approach seems unworkable without vast automation.
It's one thing to call for more policing of engine use, quite another to come up with a solution, or so it would seem.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Another do-nothing approach. I've given the results for all 646 of my games already, giving approximate expected percentages of matchups to Fritz's top move or a close equivalent (less than .05). These numbers are probably skewed at the top, but that would be giving usernames the benefit of the doubt. ALL games don't need to be reviewed, that's ...[text shortened]... against backed by Game Analysis. 73 mods working a week just to get approximate figures? Please.

Yes, there is the ad hoc approach, might work if just a few people requested it (it would have to be verified to be fair ie run through computers not controlled by the requester)

Originally posted by no1marauder
Another do-nothing approach. I've given the results for all 646 of my games already, giving approximate expected percentages of matchups to Fritz's top move or a close equivalent (less than .05). These numbers are probably skewed at the top, but that would be giving usernames the benefit of the doubt. ALL games don't need to be reviewed, that's ...[text shortened]... against backed by Game Analysis. 73 mods working a week just to get approximate figures? Please.

And I agree with you criteria. I didn't suggest analysing every game I just did the math to show it wasn't feasible.

You know I'd be interested in seeing your analysis of our games. I know that when I attempted to look over them (especially the Dragon one in preperation for a possible repeat in the 3/7 League) with Fritz I found it was pretty much useless. It suggested moves that seemed to lose because it couldn't evaluate the positions properly.
Did you have the same problem?

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
And I agree with you criteria. I didn't suggest analysing every game I just did the math to show it wasn't feasible.

You know I'd be interested in seeing your analysis of our games. I know that when I attempted to look over them (especially the Dragon one in preperation for a possible repeat in the 3/7 League) with Fritz I found it was pretty much us ...[text shortened]... d to lose because it couldn't evaluate the positions properly.
Did you have the same problem?

The analysis of the Dragon game is not of much use; we were in Fritz's opening book for all but 6 of my moves and 5 of yours, so there's not much of a sample. I think the other game analysis is pretty good though. It's too big for a PM, if you want me to send it to you PM me your e-mail address and I'll send it along. I do 60 second blunder checks with a "0" threshold; this gets the analysis done in an hour or so in an average game. I also tend to think it's more accurate in ID'ing engine use; the users on this site with 50, 75 or 100 games aren't going to run a 5 minute analysis in all their games.

Originally posted by dfm65
Speaking from the point of view of the owners and administrators - without presuming of course to speak for Russ and Chrismo, or to put words in their mouths...well, let us imagine for a moment that i fill these roles...

1.One way of judging whether an issue like this really needed attention for the good of the site would be to track the health of the site. ...[text shortened]... sn't falling.


OK, maybe we can all take a chill pill now, and get back to playing chess...

Good idea; keep the cheats and get rid of the honest players who don't like being cheated.😛

Originally posted by Nyxie
I sure hope that's a joke. Chessbase is'nt an engine, it's a database program. If you're on the gamemods with this uninformed knowledge, all chess it in trouble.

Well what is the difference between being told where to move by a software program such as Fritz or being told where to move by a software program such as Chessbase?

p.s.
doesn't chessbase have the Fritz engine built in anyway? I would bet that most people on here with Chessbase use the engine facility to cheat. They are just too superier to admit it

Originally posted by Phlabibit
From the RHP TOS:

[You will not] Impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, RHP staff, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity

(I should ban you for bumping this thread alone.) 😠

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From: Phlabibit
Date: Jul 11 01:46
Subject: Not good idea...


First you say you ARE a cheater... next you say you are a member of the Game Mods.

Neither was very good, and I will ban you from the forums next thing you do that is going to upset and confuse the forums. I'm tired of it.

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Looks like I upset the Big P
If he bans me it will be because he disagrees with my arguments, or he doesn't understand my style - what a sad abuse of power, anyone would think he was Russ. As someone else rightly pointed out, any amount of name calling is allowed on the forums; of course it depends who your friends are
🙂

Originally posted by Ravello
Don't you answer uh?

What a moron.

Crazy is my friend - leave my friends alone, I have so few, I truly value those I have
🙂

Originally posted by SirUlrich
Crazy is my friend - leave my friends alone, I have so few, I truly value those I have
🙂

You are welvome Sir.

People like Rav who seems to hate everyone, spoils any thread in which he (they) post.

My kudos for no1, who has demostrated to have a point (a very valuable one) in spite of his sarcastic way of expressing things.

But certainly, dfn65 deserves also my respect. I would want to see the differences between his opinion and that of no1 cleaned up, For RHP users benefit at least.

BTW, Rav, I'm a GIRL.

- J

Originally posted by SirUlrich
From: Phlabibit
Date: Jul 11 01:46
Subject: Not good idea...


First you say you ARE a cheater... next you say you are a member of the Game Mods.

Neither was very good, and I will ban you from the forums next thing you do that is going to upset and confuse the forums. I'm tired of it.

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Looks like I upset the Big P
If he bans me it ...[text shortened]... y amount of name calling is allowed on the forums; of course it depends who your friends are
🙂

No it'll be because you are being annoying and have broken the ToS. You'll deserve it.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
No it'll be because you are being annoying and have broken the ToS. You'll deserve it.

A thousand apologies, I was born annoying . . .
but where in the TOS does it say "Thou shall not have a giraffe?"

🙂
p.s.
If talking to annoying people gets up your goat, don't come into the forums. It's a free choice

Originally posted by SirUlrich
A thousand apologies,
but where in the TOS does it say "Thou shall not have a giraffe?"

🙂

You agree not to:
Impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, RHP staff, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity.

Claiming to be a Game Mod breaks that.