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Originally posted by cashthetrashWhat's with all this picking stuff!? There has been no picking on a religion or prophet per se in this thread until you started this discussion. There was a discussion about whether or not one religion should be privileged over the others or not in a secular state. That's it! Not about the religions themselves. How can you not see that?
I think Buddha said something like that too. Why doesn't Atheist pick on that fat guy. Doesn't China Run the world too?
Edit: Well, obviously this was not the original discussion. It was just a sidenote I made, but for some reason the discussion got stuck there. 😞
Originally posted by chancremechanicThat's almost amusing.
"May the fleas of a thousand camels inhabit your underwear"....Arab proverb...get used to it...
I'm afraid you're living in a part of the world where things are slightly out of sync with the rest of the world. Even if you were to get a fact right, I would have to check it for myself before I believe you. You see, you've revealed to all scandinavians how little you really know, and why should I think you've got the facts about the rest of this matter right?
I don't.
Originally posted by steve645when has common sense ever started a war. religion has fueled the war efforts . what was that song they sang during the second world war? and did not the future pope sign a concordant with hitler?
Why don't you move to the spirituality section...let's get back on point...how about it richfeet?
Really, religion has a big hand in wars
Originally posted by chancremechanicSo why didn't we attack the Country of Saudi Arabia who has Muslim Fanatics there instead of Iraq who wasn't responsible for 911? That's like a school yard Bully who gets punched by some guy but instead of fighting him they go and beat up some other little kid. It makes no sense at all. Then all the other kids gather around and say wow he is tough he just beat up some little dude that can't fight. Only that little dude is determined and keeps coming back for more.
Muslim fanatics from Saudi Arabia....
Originally posted by stockenStockton, I wasn't saying that you personally insulted Believers? I haven't ever gone to the Spirituality forum to check that out. And I wasn't talking about this thread. I was asking in General as I perceive the Atheists. You are claiming that you are being forced to take a Holiday. What holiday is that? Who is forcing you. Is someone holding a shotgun to your face? If you own a company you can work if you want or not right? If you don't own a company and get a day off most employers will pay you for that day off won't they? You can spend that day any way you choose. I just can't see your point. Why should an Atheist get any special holidays if all you do is complain about some one else getting a day off. What exactly does the Atheists religion worship that gives them a right to call it a religion rather than a cult? I am asking you these questions because I really can't see what the Atheists are complaining about. Please tell me why you think the spirituality forum gives you a justifiable reason to bash and cause conflict with religion in a World that already has enough conflict. It just seems rather hypocritical and petty to me is all.
I insulted believers? Read my posts again. I'm not insulting believers. I say whatever religion you choose to follow it's fine by me. Adding to that, no religion should be held above any other by the state. Thus, christian holidays forced on everyone is a bad thing, just as any other religious holiday. Atheists don't have special holidays, so it doesn't matt ...[text shortened]... ll religious groups but the christians. That's all. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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Originally posted by cashthetrashFor two reasons: 1) The damage had been done so no need to actually capture and sentence Usama and company. They serve the US gov. better as free men, a threat to the states that will keep it's citizens on their toes, and 2) Since Usama is not really the issue for the US gov. but his threat makes for a good excuse, Bush and his gang (in all their wisdom) decided it'd be a good idea to take Iraq like they've wanted to ever since the senior Bush was president under the pretext of chasing terrorists. Once they realised the idiocy of that plan, they made it to be about throwing a dictator they helped to his position down while making sure they'd stop the nuclear weapons development Saddam never had going.
So why didn't we attack the Country of Saudi Arabia who has Muslim Fanatics there instead of Iraq who wasn't responsible for 911?
We've all heard this so many times it actually makes me physically tired that the questions keep arising. It's all so obvious.
The only country left for the great US army to attack is Iran. Then the BUS will have access to all the natural resources in the whole middle-east, no doubt leaving the people there poor and helpless once the oil is no longer in great demand. It's fortunate (one might almost say a little too fortunate) for Bush and company that this idiot Ahmadinejad was elected president of Iran.
Originally posted by stockenIf Athism is not spiritual then why go to some corner and hide? That would be like having to go to some private place and talk about sex. You don't like that idea much do you? I can see that it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to do the latter but in other threads I have noticed your complaints. Seems Hypocritical to me. Actually I am not talking for or against religion so I really don't see any need to move. I am talking about conflict and Wars and why and how they get started.
Nope. Not by definition. You could be atheist and spiritual, but not define the origin of spirituality the same way god-believers do. Again, I feel if we're going to talk about these things, the spirituality forum is the way to go.
Originally posted by cashthetrashYou're still missing the point. One religion is favourised in a secular society making the whole state somewhat a joke.
Stockton, I wasn't saying that you personally insulted Believers? I haven't ever gone to the Spirituality forum to check that out. And I wasn't talking about this thread. I was asking in General as I perceive the Atheists. You are claiming that you are being forced to take a Holiday. What holiday is that? Who is forcing you. Is someone holding a shotgun ...[text shortened]... at already has enough conflict. It just seems rather hypocritical and petty to me is all.
If I'm a muslim, my kids can still only be free from school during the christian holidays even if I can choose to take my vacations on muslim holidays. If I'm jew it's the same. I'm saying that no holidays should be imposed on people from the state, but rather leave that as a personal matter. If I need to take my holiday in the middle of October and I want my kids to celebrate with me, I'll just take them from school during that time. They can easily catch up again after the holidays. This would be the most fair and workable system I can think of.
Strip all politics from religious influence and allow people to practice their religion as personal matters (possibly in public). No problem then. Most swedish folks will choose not to take their vacations on christian holidays, and those whom have a religion will be able to have their specific holidays celebrated.
Originally posted by cashthetrashI feel really disillusioned right now. What corner am I as an atheist hiding in? 😕
If Athism is not spiritual then why go to some corner and hide? That would be like having to go to some private place and talk about sex. You don't like that idea much do you?
Oh, and because I was banned over my sexual fantasy thread last week I decided to join that all grownups clan after all. You're right though. I don't feel too good about that. It was a personal defeat for sure. Although, it turned out to be a lot of fun, I wish people weren't such tight arses and could discuss things in public.
Originally posted by stockenWho said I was only talking about this thread? I didn't start anything, this is only a long side note. In a secular democracy majority rules. Who's secular state were you referring to? Why do you want to limit my questions to you, to only your comments? 😵
What's with all this picking stuff!? There has been no picking on a religion or prophet per se in this thread until you started this discussion. There was a discussion about whether or not one religion should be privileged over the others or not in a secular state. That's it! Not about the religions themselves. How can you not see that?
Edit: Well, obviou ...[text shortened]... cussion. It was just a sidenote I made, but for some reason the discussion got stuck there. 😞
Originally posted by cashthetrashBecause you first began this discussion in relation to my post I naturally assumed I represent the atheists you're talking about nitpicking religions. I'm so confused right now, that I'll just back off and look stupid for a while if you don't mind? 😕😳
Who said I was only talking about this thread? I didn't start anything, this is only a long side note. In a secular democracy majority rules. Who's secular state were you referring to? Why do you want to limit my questions to you, to only your comments? 😵
Originally posted by gollumprawnIn the game of Chess there is a bishop. It is a war game. Religion is only a tool the governments uses to help them to mobilise and manipulate the troops. I say that anti religion and the misused abuse of Religion is just as big a factor in fueling war.
when has common sense ever started a war. religion has fueled the war efforts . what was that song they sang during the second world war? and did not the future pope sign a concordant with hitler?
Really, religion has a big hand in wars
Originally posted by stockenYou should copy and paste this post so you don't have to rewrite it again. You
For two reasons: 1) The damage had been done so no need to actually capture and sentence Usama and company. They serve the US gov. better as free men, a threat to the states that will keep it's citizens on their toes, and 2) Since Usama is not really the issue for the US gov. but his threat makes for a good excuse, Bush and his gang (in all their wisdom) dec ...[text shortened]... ortunate) for Bush and company that this idiot Ahmadinejad was elected president of Iran.
do understand why I asked the question though don't you. I already knew the answer.😉