@eladar saidI have no idea who said 'the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government,' and am pretty happy about that.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Your ignorance is certainly telling. I am sure you are not alone in your ignorance yet all of you believe your uneducated opinion is actually worth something.
Your own ignorance is betrayed by your racist outlook on life and non-adherence to key Christian values and behaviour.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidLol, how can you make an accurate judgment out of your ignorance?
I have no idea who said 'the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government,' and am pretty happy about that.
Your own ignorance is betrayed by your racist outlook on life and non-adherence to key Christian values and behaviour.
All you can do is make clueless claims.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
So you revert to your typical trash. You care not about the topic, all you eant to do is make personal insults and jabs. It is why you are a total waste and why people you might actually meet in person benefit from your time here.
@eladar saidAh, you are selective in your appreciation of Jefferson quotes?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
So you revert to your typical trash. You care not about the topic, all you eant to do is make personal insults and jabs. It is why you are a total waste and why people you might actually meet in person benefit from your time here.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidLol, you are interested in the actual topic?
Ah, you are selective in your appreciation of Jefferson quotes?
No, of course not. You are just your typical self.
Seriously, there is a relatively small core of usual suspects around here who are worthless pieces of trash.
@eladar saidNo, I do not know who wrote that. I do know who didn't.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Do you know who said that?
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/05/09/fact-check-thomas-jefferson-right-bear-arms-last-resort-tyranny/
@moonbus saidIs this one real?
No, I do not know who wrote that. I do know who didn't.
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/05/09/fact-check-thomas-jefferson-right-bear-arms-last-resort-tyranny/
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
Here is another
“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
@eladar saidQuote the rest of the passage and it takes on a whole different meaning:
Is this one real?
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
". . . the British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. [Sounds like fakes news and falsely attributed quotes, does it not?] Yet where does this anarchy exist? where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? and can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. . . . "
Thomas Jefferson to William Smith, Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/105.html
Face it, Eladar, your tortuous argument does not hold water. Both the grammar of the 2d Amendment and the historical context (no standing army) make it plain that the right to keep and bear arms was designed to secure the U.S. state against foreign powers, not the private citizen against the U.S. government.
@eladar saidDoes the writing of Alexander Hamilton make you believe the 2nd amendment gives you the right bear arms in order to gun down government officials and employees if you decide they represent tyranny and are acting in a way that you believe has "abandoned the Constitution"?
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
@moonbus saidFace it, the quotes I gave are accurate. The people who killed with weapons to stop a tyrranical government put the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution just in case it was required again.
Quote the rest of the passage and it takes on a whole different meaning:
". . . the British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have ...[text shortened]... o secure the U.S. state against foreign powers, not the private citizen against the U.S. government.