Originally posted by PalynkaActually, you both are in agreement with my post on page 2 of this thread, and the post I made on the 17 year old girl's killing, which was:
Are you backtracking already? Reducing murder rates and improving society is THE issue. And I've repeatedly explained that your revenge seeking is incompatible with both.
To fix (part) of the rot you need to let go of revenge. Intolerance towards avoidable killings, including lawful executions is part of that. But you seem too bent on appeasing your blood lust to bother.
"History tends to repeat itself when it kills off things it can't currently deal with or pretends it hasn't the finances or capacity to deal with.
When society agrees a finalisation of ways of getting to deep rooted causes of problems then, hopefully, shall it not have a need to allow wanton waste of life."
It appears easy to write people off when we don't consider what could have gone wrong with them, and learn from it!!! All too often we kill them off, without having ventured too deep - for the sake of society's future learning!
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Originally posted by mikelomThat seems in accordance with what I'm saying but why do you think HoH's view is not contradictory to that?
Actually, you both are in agreement with my post on page 2 of this thread, and the post I made on the 17 year old girl's killing, which was:
"History tends to repeat itself when it kills off things it can't currently deal with or pretends it hasn't the finances or capacity to deal with.
When society agrees a finalisation of ways of getting to deep roo l them off, without having ventured too deep - for the sake of society's future learning!
Originally posted by mikelomSo are you placing blame on someone/something besides the murderer? It's not the murderer's fault...something must of happened to him...Tell me, how much have we learned from Manson in all these years?
Actually, you both are in agreement with my post on page 2 of this thread, and the post I made on the 17 year old girl's killing, which was:
"History tends to repeat itself when it kills off things it can't currently deal with or pretends it hasn't the finances or capacity to deal with.
When society agrees a finalisation of ways of getting to deep roo ...[text shortened]... l them off, without having ventured too deep - for the sake of society's future learning!
Originally posted by PalynkaI didn't say it is contradictory. In fact I am in agreement with you. But HoH has made valid points too... there are mostly some consistencies with post posters... the inconsistencies are personal opinion, IMHO.
That seems in accordance with what I'm saying but how why do you think HoH's view is not contradictory to that?
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenYes I am! You didn't read the posts I made, and referred to, obviously.
So are you placing blame on someone/something besides the murderer? It's not the murderer's fault...something must of happened to him...Tell me, how much have we learned from Manson in all these years?
WTF has Manson to do with any relevance?
Originally posted by mikelomIf you have any belief that violent tendencies are hereditary, culling the herd of violent anomalies should, ultimately, reduce the occurance of such socially unacceptable genetic traits.
Actually, you both are in agreement with my post on page 2 of this thread, and the post I made on the 17 year old girl's killing, which was:
"History tends to repeat itself when it kills off things it can't currently deal with or pretends it hasn't the finances or capacity to deal with.
When society agrees a finalisation of ways of getting to deep roo ...[text shortened]... l them off, without having ventured too deep - for the sake of society's future learning!
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateI'm trying to catch up but have I already seen the word "faggotry"?
No I didn't. I've been busy trying to keep his Lord Chief Justiceship honest.
Give me a summary in point form. Try to work in "for the sake of the childrens" and/or "rehabilitaion into productive members of society".
Thanx.
Read the article. Really.
I'll catch up with you knuckleheads shortly.
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateI didn't say I have ANY belief that violent tendencies are hereditary. Quite the opposite.
If you have any belief that violent tendencies are hereditary, culling the herd of violent anomalies should, ultimately, reduce the occurance of such socially unacceptable genetic traits.
I said that I do believe SOME people can be born with pure evil. That was not a majority statement... which I believe you are credulous enough to understand.
Born with that evil is not a 'hereditary' state!
What I did say, and am in agreement of Palynka with, for once, is that to write people off as a one gendered state, as a killer, is non-viable and unacceptable. Most killers have an agenda, indoctrination, abuse history etc which has led them to 'become' whom and what they are and I would add, as I added before, that needs to be taken into account and analysed before they are just written off as 'general killers', 'child abusers' - whatever the crime.
To label them all as the same is ludicrous, and an unwise decision by a society that is hoping to develop in such a way as wanting to prevent future atrocities. Kill them all as one and we learn nothing, That was my point.
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3This is the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. Congratulations.
I'm with Hand.
There are two aspects to living in any societal group - rights, and responsibilities. Your rights (even those deemed 'basic human rights'😉 are bestowed on you by your ability to live up to your responsibilities within that society.
If you debate the fact that rights are defined by the society you live in, please redirect your attent ...[text shortened]... that they have destroyed lives. You are criminals yourselves, because you enable crime.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenThroughout history, far and wide, "justice" has been viewed and served in different ways depending on the culture and the mood of the people. Take medieval times for a wonderful example. Take the occasions where certain law is signed into practice, or in fact, stalled, when attributed to the mood of people here in the US.
I've been reading the posts in this thread for the past hour and decided to throw my 2 cents in---which I usually don't do here because posts in the general forum are usually just too articulate and well thought out for my liking. Sometimes all I need to do is take a quick perusal of my states violent offenders to remind myself of the evil that exi ...[text shortened]... ysical abuse he should be put to death (and in a less humane way than lethal injection).
The conduct of a society, in my view, with regards to how they treat their criminals, social problems, etc, will determine the stability of their environment. Look beyond the US for examples.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenAhem. Correction. Look at my state. NH. We don't use it (not since the 30's) and we are very low crime.
First, I never said the death penalty was a deterent..Second, I would argue the reason those states have not adopted the death penalty yet is because they don't have a lot of violent crime/murders.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateI'm reading your posts.
Reducing murder rates is an entirely different issue. I'm just talking about revenge. A good old fashioned killin' of the guilty.
If you want to lower crime rates, you need to fix society. So far, the US has not had the will or experienced sufficient pain to drive the change required to fix the rot we tolerate.
Are you saying that laws should be based on equilibrium? Revenge? You believe that? Come on. You believe that fixing society, as you put it, is somehow separate from the way in which we view killing? From the way in which we create law? From the way in which we conduct ourselves?
So:
Killing in exchange for murder. Revenge in exhange for horrible pain and loss.
Our problem in the US is not that we have not experienced enough pain. Our problem is ignorance and ego.