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Originally posted by smw6869taken from the same report. "Changing the age parameters on the CDC site to register the gun deaths of children between <1 and 12 years old renders the number, 223 for 2001."
"30,000 people killed or injured by guns"
Breakdown: approx.
15,000 thugs, criminals, gangsters killing each other.
5,000 criminals killed by cops.
5,000 suicides.
1,000 hunting and other accidents.
4,000 other murders by gun.
6,000 non death related accidents.
223 kids shot in the states during 2001. and remember this is from fox who were countering a much higher number for 'child' gun incidents.
go and look for another country in the world with those kinds of numbers for children aged 1-12. when you can't come back and tell me how great guns are and how much they protect people.
It occurs to me that taking a mans life is a terrible thing. Yet, it seems to me that some people have it coming. That some evils simply cannot be tolerated. That to bring order and light back into the world evil must be eliminated. This doesn't have to be done with malice, think of it as removing rot from an otherwise acceptable piece of fruit. So it is with them men that willfully commit evil acts.
Guns and gun ownership do relatively little to stop crime, much less inhibit the crime rate. I own guns, lots of guns. They stay in the safe. I own a big dog, that's my deterrent. Either way, come looking for trouble and you'll find it.
Likewise, capital punishment does little to deter violent crime. That's what we have laws and police for. They are our big dogs.
"But Hand" you ask "you said you'd kill murderers, isn't this a contradiction?". No, it isn't. Just because I don't think capital punishment stops violent offenders doesn't mean that I don't think the punishment fits the crime. Similarly, just as I don't think owning a gun will deter a criminal doesn't mean I don't know how to use it.
Life is temporary. We need to do our best to enjoy it. Still, I don't relish the idea of sharing my life or my society with child rapists, murderers, and other scum. We all make choices, some good, some bad, some so socially unacceptable that they can't be tolerated.
Originally posted by trev33ok, those 3 million law abiding gun owners who use a gun to protect their lives every year will just have to take a dirt nap. I guess that doesn't bother you. You're quite the lover of humanity. The 3 million are only those reported to the local police, by the way. I'm done with all this. Do what you think is best for your family. I'm not trying to talk any one into owning a firearm.
taken from the same report. "Changing the age parameters on the CDC site to register the gun deaths of children between <1 and 12 years old renders the number, 223 for 2001."
223 kids shot in the states during 2001. and remember this is from fox who were countering a much higher number for 'child' gun incidents.
go and look for another country in the w ...[text shortened]... . when you can't come back and tell me how great guns are and how much they protect people.
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Originally posted by smw6869the stats speck for themselves, i find it quite sad that you live in a place were over 200 kids are shot a year... and at 1-12 they really are kids.
ok, those 3 million law abiding gun owners who use a gun to protect their lives every year will just have to take a dirt nap. I guess that doesn't bother you. You're quite the lover of humanity. The 3 million are only those reported to the local police, by the way. I'm done with all this. Do what you think is best for your family. I'm not trying to talk any one into owning a firearm.
GRANNY.
www.travelersdigest.com/global_crime.htm
happy with #24? where is gunless canada and china btw?
Originally posted by trev33Guess you just don't give a crap about the 3 million legal gun owners that protect their families (including their children) every single year. US gun ownership is increasing by 4.5 million per year and death by gun is Down significantly. Stats speak for themselves. Read The FBI UNIFORM CRIME STATS for recent years. Gun ownership way UP....Gun deaths down. Kissie pooh ? Come on, you can do it.
the stats speck for themselves, i find it quite sad that you live in a place were over 200 kids are shot a year... and at 1-12 they really are kids.
www.travelersdigest.com/global_crime.htm
happy with #24? where is gunless canada and china btw?
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Originally posted by smw6869over 200 innocent children every year hurt or killed by a bullet and yet you continue to flay the pro-gun flag, tut tut.
Guess you just don't give a crap about the 3 million legal gun owners that protect their families (including their children) every single year. US gun ownership is increasing by 4.5 million per year and death by gun is Down significantly. Stats speak for themselves. Read The FBI UNIFORM CRIME STATS for recent years. Gun ownership way UP....Gun deaths down. Kissie pooh ? Come on, you can do it.
GRANNY.
where is canada and china on the list i gave you? what is their gun laws? coincidence or just an outrageous fluke like NH?
google 'american gun culture' and you get 2.7 million hits. specks for itself doesn't it? just because the numbers might be down doesn't mean they weren't ridiculously high in the first place.
like i said - no guns = no gun culture + in a competent police force and you get very few gun crimes.
and what about the millions of american'ts? who get by without guns? how do they sleep at night? jesus, thinking about it how do i sleep at night?
Originally posted by Hand of Hecatetoss him in the woodchopper!
Minister's sentence in sex case unchanged
A minister is seeking prison time instead of house arrest after his conviction for impregnating his teenage goddaughter.
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Less than a week after being sentenced to two years of house arrest for impregnating his 15-year-old goddaughter, a Broward minister was in court Thursday as ...[text shortened]... son.
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Originally posted by Hand of Hecatemostly well said. A reasonable post from hoh!
It occurs to me that taking a mans life is a terrible thing.
Guns and gun ownership do relatively little to stop crime, much less inhibit the crime rate. I own guns, lots of guns. They stay in the safe. I own a big dog, that's my deterrent. Either way, come looking for trouble and you'll find it.
Likewise, capital punishment does little to deter ...[text shortened]... e choices, some good, some bad, some so socially unacceptable that they can't be tolerated.
It's good to read that you keep those guns locked up.
Originally posted by smw6869I explained it several times. I even gave it the name of dynamic deterrence. Read up.
First of all i don't read liberal anti gun press releases. This is no more than strawmanish fallacitiousness anyway. The real question is: How does Not killing a murderer cause crime to be lower ?
GRANNY.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateNobody is defending it should be tolerated. The question is if you're willing to pay the price of having more murders just so you can quench your thirst for retribution.
It occurs to me that taking a mans life is a terrible thing. Yet, it seems to me that some people have it coming. That some evils simply cannot be tolerated. That to bring order and light back into the world evil must be eliminated. This doesn't have to be done with malice, think of it as removing rot from an otherwise acceptable piece of fruit. ...[text shortened]... e good, some bad, some so socially unacceptable that they can't be tolerated.
Originally posted by trev33Canada isn't gunless. They just have more rigid laws. It isn't terribly hard to own a gun in Canada, but, you do have to follow the rules. Big deal, I don't have a problem with rules.
the stats speck for themselves, i find it quite sad that you live in a place were over 200 kids are shot a year... and at 1-12 they really are kids.
www.travelersdigest.com/global_crime.htm
happy with #24? where is gunless canada and china btw?
Originally posted by PalynkaEr, I know this one... no don't tell me... OK, I'm going with "Yes"!? Murdering murderers? I wouldn't lose a moments sleep.
Nobody is defending it should be tolerated. The question is if you're willing to pay the price of having more murders just so you can quench your thirst for retribution.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateMurder is unlawful killing, you muppet. Murder rates are higher in places where the death penalty exists. How many times do I have to repeat this and post data until it enters that thick skull of yours?
Er, I know this one... no don't tell me... OK, I'm going with "Yes"!? Murdering murderers? I wouldn't lose a moments sleep.
Originally posted by PalynkaBecause your "stat" is ridiculous. There's no correlation between executing murders and spontaneously making other people go out and commit murders. You're an idiot for repeatedly posting that piece of crap.
Murder is unlawful killing, you muppet. Murder rates are higher in places where the death penalty exists. How many times do I have to repeat this and post data until it enters that thick skull of yours?