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Originally posted by Suzianne
As much obvious differences I have with the Hand, I couldn't agree more with him on this.

Eye for an eye. Yes, absolutely.

And for all the namby-pambys out there saying capital punishment is a crime, "thou shalt not kill", etc.... The sixth commandment prohibits murder, not socially acceptable killing. Society putting to death a murderer is not comm ...[text shortened]... ing through warfare and executions are socially acceptable killing, but they are not murder.
Ha! You agreed with me. Do you feel dirty? Well, do you?

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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
I'm not missing the point, but, you're certainly trying to cloud mine.

1. I abhor violent criminals, particularly those that abuse children.
2. I am a proponent of capital punishment as a consequence to committing such crimes.
3. I am willing to suffer the same consequences as I would hold others to.
4. Legally executing a violent offender s ...[text shortened]... hould befall you. I know myself and have no illusions as to what my reaction would be.
I'm clouding your point? How!

# Violent criminals, particularly those that abuse children. The criminal deserves to be executed? What dosen't deserve execution?

#If you did kill the person who hurt your child, and was subsiquently executed then your wife would suffer twice, who would be left to comfort her?

# I agree that crimes that hurt anyone deserves punishment but I don't think there is anything on this earth that we can do that would equal some crimes. That's why vengence belongs to God. What if your measly punishment means they're acquitted when God get's hold of them?

#(UK) It is not illegal to kill in self defence.

Sharing your thoughts is debating.

You have put way too much thought into the detials of your revenge, almost as if you'd enjoy it.

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Originally posted by yo its me
I'm clouding your point? How!

# Violent criminals, particularly those that abuse children. The criminal deserves to be executed? What dosen't deserve execution?

#If you did kill the person who hurt your child, and was subsiquently executed then your wife would suffer twice, who would be left to comfort her?

# I agree that crimes that hurt anyone ...[text shortened]... e put way too much thought into the detials of your revenge, almost as if you'd enjoy it.
I stand by my assertion that this is not a debate as I am uninterested in persuading you and equally uninterested in changing my position. Hence no debate.

1. Jaywalking doesn't deserve execution. Theft, drug offenses, assaults not resulting in death, drunk driving not resulting in a fatality, blackmail, white collar crimes, any non violent crime are not worthy of the death penalty. If you take another's life, you better have a damn good reason otherwise it's a bullet in the brain for you.

2. My wife is more than capable of taking care of herself with or without me. Mamma bear would kill to protect her child or avenge her as the case may be.

3. There is no God. God is an adult security blanket and too often wrapped around a weak mind. We need to deliver swift and dire consequences to the guilty while they remain in the earthly realm and not wait for God to punish or forgive them as the case may be.

4. Would it matter to you if killing in self defense was illegal? Some piece of human refuse attacks you and you're going to be considering legalities? I think not.

5. I'm a detail kinda guy. Plus, anything worth doing is worth doing right.

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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
I stand by my assertion that this is not a debate as I am uninterested in persuading you and equally uninterested in changing my position. Hence no debate.

1. Jaywalking doesn't deserve execution. Theft, drug offenses, assaults not resulting in death, drunk driving not resulting in a fatality, blackmail, white collar crimes, any non violent crime think not.

5. I'm a detail kinda guy. Plus, anything worth doing is worth doing right.
OKay, let's not debate it then.

I'd just like to point out a few things you don't seam to realise though;

# if God dosen't exist then you don't either.
# if only crimes resulting in death deserve execution then rape, molestation and imprisonment is classed as less of an offence but it can have far reaching consequences for the victims family.
# anyone came come up with a reason for murder the phycologist who interviewed jefry dower said he had 'logical' reasons.

jefry dower, in case anyone hasn't heard of him, to save them googling and reading the gory detials, is someone who killed and eat his boyfriends to keep them with him forever.

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Originally posted by yo its me
jefry dower, in case anyone hasn't heard of him, to save them googling and reading the gory detials, is someone who killed and eat his boyfriends to keep them with him forever.
Not picking on your spelling, YIM, but are your referring to Jeffrey Dahmer?

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Originally posted by yo its me
# if God dosen't exist then you don't either.
# if only crimes resulting in death deserve execution then rape, molestation and imprisonment is classed as less of an offence but it can have far reaching consequences for the victims family.
# anyone came come up with a reason for murder the phycologist who interviewed jefry dower said he had 'logical' rea ...[text shortened]... e gory detials, is someone who killed and eat his boyfriends to keep them with him forever.
# if God dosen't exist then you don't either.
Eh? That doesn't make any sense.

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Originally posted by Fleabitten
Not picking on your spelling, YIM, but are your referring to Jeffrey Dahmer?
Yes I am.

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Originally posted by Palynka
[b]# if God dosen't exist then you don't either.
Eh? That doesn't make any sense.[/b]
First cause rationale.

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Originally posted by Palynka
[b]# if God dosen't exist then you don't either.
Eh? That doesn't make any sense.[/b]
It dose to me! 😀

If there's no God then how can we be?

Is there another explination that makes sense?

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Originally posted by yo its me
If there's no God then how can we be?
We just are. If everything needs a Creator, then why is God an exception?

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Originally posted by Palynka
We just are. If everything needs a Creator, then why is God an exception?
If we just are why not that God just is? Why dose everything need a creator?

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Originally posted by yo its me
Why dose everything need a creator?
You tell us.

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Originally posted by yo its me
If we just are why not that God just is?
It's possible. But that doesn't mean that if we are, then God must be.

Anyway, I'll leave this for another time. This isn't Spirituality. 🙂

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Originally posted by darvlay
You tell us.
Well God wasn't created, so not everyone that exists now was created. The Earth was, so were the stars in the sky.

How do you think we got here then Darvlay?

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Originally posted by Palynka
It's possible. But that doesn't mean that if we are, then God must be.

Anyway, I'll leave this for another time. This isn't Spirituality. 🙂
okay, please let me know if you start a thread on it in there so I can join in.