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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate"3. There is no God. God is an adult security blanket and too often wrapped around a weak mind. We need to deliver swift and dire consequences to the guilty while they remain in the earthly realm and not wait for God to punish or forgive them as the case may be."
I stand by my assertion that this is not a debate as I am uninterested in persuading you and equally uninterested in changing my position. Hence no debate.
1. Jaywalking doesn't deserve execution. Theft, drug offenses, assaults not resulting in death, drunk driving not resulting in a fatality, blackmail, white collar crimes, any non violent crime think not.
5. I'm a detail kinda guy. Plus, anything worth doing is worth doing right.
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Old Testament Proverbs, taught by King David to his beloved son Solomon: "A fool rejects his father's discipline, but he who regards reproof is prudent." (Proverbs 15:5)... "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." (1:7)... "A fool always loses his temper, but a wise man holds it back." (29:11)... and David himself in Psalms 14:1, "The fool has said in his heart ('leve' for mind in the Hebrew, 'kardia' for right frontal lobe in the koine Greek) 'There is no God'."
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyPetitio principii.
[b]"3. There is no God. God is an adult security blanket and too often wrapped around a weak mind. We need to deliver swift and dire consequences to the guilty while they remain in the earthly realm and not wait for God to punish or forgive them as the case may be."
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Originally posted by Suziannewho is saying capital punishment is a crime? who is saying that 'society putting to death a murderer' is murder?
As much obvious differences I have with the Hand, I couldn't agree more with him on this.
Eye for an eye. Yes, absolutely.
And for all the namby-pambys out there saying capital punishment is a crime, "thou shalt not kill", etc.... The sixth commandment prohibits murder, not socially acceptable killing. Society putting to death a murderer is not comm ...[text shortened]... ing through warfare and executions are socially acceptable killing, but they are not murder.
i haven't read any of these statements on this thread.
you believe in god i presume that you believe in a heaven? lets say that you were taken captive, tortured and ultimately murdered over quite a long period of time. you would agree that this is one of the worst things another human could do and that they deserve the death penalty as punishment? ok, after your ordeal, possibly lasting months, you suffered kinds of pain you never though imaginable... looking down from heaven watching the perpetrator giving a quick relatively painless death, how does that make you feel?
happy that he's been caught and killed? or pissed off that you suffered so much more than him/her in your death than they felt in theirs?
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Originally posted by yo its meI'll start one for you.
okay, please let me know if you start a thread on it in there so I can join in.
Edit: Please see "@Yo It's Me..."
I stopped short of calling you a deluded ass bag, but, will add this if you like.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOn the contrary, the fear that there is no God is the beginning of knowledge. If there is no God, we are responsible for our own destiny and the preservation of our species lies in our own hands. This realization spawns innovation.
[b]"3. There is no God. God is an adult security blanket and too often wrapped around a weak mind. We need to deliver swift and dire consequences to the guilty while they remain in the earthly realm and not wait for God to punish or forgive them as the case may be."
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"On the contrary, the fear that there is no God is the beginning of knowledge. If there is no God, we are responsible for our own destiny and the preservation of our species lies in our own hands. This realization spawns innovation." -Hand of Hecate
Fear = perception, discernment, recognition, realization of dependence, respect
and a degree or two of reverence for supreme authority for starters. Quite simply,
those who reject divine authority and an absolute truth viewpoint are left holding
a bag of 'Invictus' human viewpoint and the counterfeit currency of relative truth.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou cannot convince a non-believer to believe by quoting a book he believes was authored by man.
[b]"3. There is no God. God is an adult security blanket and too often wrapped around a weak mind. We need to deliver swift and dire consequences to the guilty while they remain in the earthly realm and not wait for God to punish or forgive them as the case may be."
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You're spitting into the wind here, GB.
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Originally posted by trev33Since you asked, and are presumably able to read, yet unable to comprehend, here is one such exchange:
who is saying capital punishment is a crime? who is saying that 'society putting to death a murderer' is murder?
i haven't read any of these statements on this thread.
you believe in god i presume that you believe in a heaven? lets say that you were taken captive, tortured and ultimately murdered over quite a long period of time. you would agree that t ssed off that you suffered so much more than him/her in your death than they felt in theirs?
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Read the thread again, Sir Trev. Still unable to locate your question. Only find declarative statements & wispy ghost
like musings. Please answer this one: 'To which criminal activities, in your view, would maximum punishment apply?'"
"Originally posted by Mephisto2
None, if maximum punishment means death penalty. A crime can't be justified by another crime, period."
And also this exchange:
"Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
Yes, a person that with malice and forethought has unlawfully committed the crime of murder should be executed.
Am I somehow being unclear or inconsistent in presenting this position?"
"Originally posted by yo its me
No you're not being unclear, but you are missing the point. If both are executed then where is the difference?"
In answer to your scenario:
I would be glad knowing that justice was served and the scum is no longer walking the face of the earth to perpetrate the same heinous activities on others.
Also, you acknowledge my belief, yet you do not fathom it. That perpetrator's payment has not yet been fully paid. God has said, "Vengeance is mine" and he's not through with him yet by a damned sight (to quote a friend of mine).
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateI'm not trying to convince you, but yes, there IS a God, and because of Him, we ARE already responsible for our own destinies. Without Him, we are only responsible for our own annihilation.
On the contrary, the fear that there is no God is the beginning of knowledge. If there is no God, we are responsible for our own destiny and the preservation of our species lies in our own hands. This realization spawns innovation.