Originally posted by Hand of Hecatethat's not what he's asking you. The punishment for murder, do you think it's the same no matter the reasons, tempary insanity, revenge, loss of control etc, are they all to be punished with capitail punishment?
If I acted outside the current law, then, yes, I would expect to be prosecuted.
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Originally posted by Anonymousnumber1and you have figures on that? you know how much food and electristy they will use in prison? not to mention security, cell space, linen... and what sort of prisons will they be 'rotting' in? prison here is more like a holiday camp than what a prison should be. prison are very expensive to run... or should we just put the real criminals in jail and let minor offenders off with community service etc?
Morality aside, it costs more to fry a mofugga than to leave him to rot in prison for the remainder of his life.
I say let them all rot.
Originally posted by trev33only speaking for the U.S. should have clarified that.
and you have figures on that? you know how much food and electristy they will use in prison? not to mention security, cell space, linen... and what sort of prisons will they be 'rotting' in? prison here is more like a holiday camp than what a prison should be. prison are very expensive to run... or should we just put the real criminals in jail and let minor offenders off with community service etc?
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the court costs surpasses housing a criminal for a lifetime
Originally posted by yo its meNo, I don't think all murders should be punished the same.
that's not what he's asking you. The punishment for murder, do you think it's the same no matter the reasons, tempary insanity, revenge, loss of control etc, are they all to be punished with capitail punishment?
I would think it self evident that a person that kidnaps, rapes and murders a child is on an entirely different scale to one that through negligence kills a another person.
Overall, I feel strongly that western society is far to lenient with violent criminals. Kidnappers, murderers, rapists, child molesters, theft/assault, home invasion, etc... Do you really think people that make these kinds of choices are entitled to walk the streets with the rest of us? Should we really spend a moments more time thinking about them? Spend another dime on them? These people have separated themselves from society by their choices.
Originally posted by trev33I think that prosecuting non violent drug offenses on par with violent crimes is an injustice.
and you have figures on that? you know how much food and electristy they will use in prison? not to mention security, cell space, linen... and what sort of prisons will they be 'rotting' in? prison here is more like a holiday camp than what a prison should be. prison are very expensive to run... or should we just put the real criminals in jail and let minor offenders off with community service etc?
Originally posted by Hand of Hecateso...a person who has deviously harmed and then killed should be put to death? Or seperated from society (incarserated).
No, I don't think all murders should be punished the same.
I would think it self evident that a person that kidnaps, rapes and murders a child is on an entirely different scale to one that through negligence kills a another person.
Overall, I feel strongly that western society is far to lenient with violent criminals. Kidnappers, murderers, ...[text shortened]... nd another dime on them? These people have separated themselves from society by their choices.
Originally posted by yo its meYes, a person that with malice and forethought has unlawfully committed the crime of murder should be executed.
so...a person who has deviously harmed and then killed should be put to death? Or seperated from society (incarserated).
Am I somehow being unclear or inconsistent in presenting this position?
Originally posted by Hand of HecateNo you're not being unclear, but you are missing the point. If both are executed then where is the difference?
Yes, a person that with malice and forethought has unlawfully committed the crime of murder should be executed.
Am I somehow being unclear or inconsistent in presenting this position?
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Originally posted by Anonymousnumber1i very much doubt that study... if it's a matter of cost how much is 1 bullet?
only speaking for the U.S. should have clarified that.
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the court costs surpasses housing a criminal for a lifetime
"10 times more expensive" bollocks.
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateNo, I don't think all murders should be punished the same.
No, I don't think all murders should be punished the same.
I would think it self evident that a person that kidnaps, rapes and murders a child is on an entirely different scale to one that through negligence kills a another person.
Overall, I feel strongly that western society is far to lenient with violent criminals. Kidnappers, murderers, ...[text shortened]... nd another dime on them? These people have separated themselves from society by their choices.
so do you feel that you should be punished the same as the murderer of your daughter if you murder the perpetrator? you have went out of your way to kill someone, knowing full well what you're doing, if he should face the death penalty should you as well?
Do you really think people that make these kinds of choices are entitled to walk the streets with the rest of us? Should we really spend a moments more time thinking about them? Spend another dime on them?
no, certain crimes warren life in confinement. i think if you lose a loved one, yes you will be forever thinking about their murderer, it's natural but i know what you're saying and if we are to believe that it's more cost effective to lock someone up for the rest of their life rather than to execute them wouldn't it be doing the victim justice to make the rest of the murderers life a complete misery rather than giving him a quick and easy way out?
Originally posted by yo its meI'm not missing the point, but, you're certainly trying to cloud mine.
No you're not being unclear, but you are missing the point. If both are executed then where is the difference?
1. I abhor violent criminals, particularly those that abuse children.
2. I am a proponent of capital punishment as a consequence to committing such crimes.
3. I am willing to suffer the same consequences as I would hold others to.
4. Legally executing a violent offender should not subject to lawful action.
5. Killing a person while defending your life or anothers from a violent act should not subject to lawful action.
I'm not debating with you, I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Hurt or kill a member of my family and, given the opportunity, I'd gut the offender like a pig. Consequences be damned. I'd love to see said offender released so I can spend some quality time with him. Failing this, I'd pay a visit to his family and burn their houses down. I'd give serious consideration to leveling an entire city block to get to him. I'm a patient man, I would find out everything about him. Prisons and prison guards would become a subject of great interest to me. I would spend my last dime bringing him pain and suffering. Unrepentant wrath would be my gift to this unfortunate soul.
You may choose to take a different path if such a tragedy should befall you. I know myself and have no illusions as to what my reaction would be.
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateAs much obvious differences I have with the Hand, I couldn't agree more with him on this.
I'm not missing the point, but, you're certainly trying to cloud mine.
1. I abhor violent criminals, particularly those that abuse children.
2. I am a proponent of capital punishment as a consequence to committing such crimes.
3. I am willing to suffer the same consequences as I would hold others to.
4. Legally executing a violent offender s hould befall you. I know myself and have no illusions as to what my reaction would be.
Eye for an eye. Yes, absolutely.
And for all the namby-pambys out there saying capital punishment is a crime, "thou shalt not kill", etc.... The sixth commandment prohibits murder, not socially acceptable killing. Society putting to death a murderer is not committing murder. It's serving the general welfare of that society. Societal killing through warfare and executions are socially acceptable killing, but they are not murder.