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Originally posted by Suzianne
Since you asked, and are presumably unable to read, here is one such exchange:

"Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]Read the thread again, Sir Trev. Still unable to locate your question. Only find declarative statements & wispy ghost

like musings. Please answer this one: 'To which criminal activities, in your view, would maximum punishment ap and he's not through with him yet by a damned sight (to quote a friend of mine).[/b]

i didn't see mephisto2's post.

ok, fair enough i remember you talking about that before. i don't share the same thoughts and lets say that i'm right, there isn't a god and there's no after life vengeance for the murderer, now do you believe that it was a just end to his/her life after what they did?

Originally posted by trev33
i didn't see mephisto2's post.

ok, fair enough i remember you talking about that before. i don't share the same thoughts and lets say that i'm right, there isn't a god and there's no after life vengeance for the murderer, now do you believe that it was a just end to his/her life after what they did?

Ok, I will play your Devil's Advocate (there's some irony there).

In your modified scenario, I would still be glad that he's no longer able to inflict the same pain on others. But I would also wish that I was the one to throw the switch on the bastard.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"On the contrary, the fear that there is no God is the beginning of knowledge. If there is no God, we are responsible for our own destiny and the preservation of our species lies in our own hands. This realization spawns innovation." -Hand of Hecate




Fear = perception, discernment, recognition, realization of dependence, respect

and a ...[text shortened]... man viewpoint and the counterfeit currency of relative truth.



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Fear = The realization that there is no God, no reset button and no supreme being holding a safety net for you. If there is no God, you only get one chance. Have you made the most of your opportunity to spit into the void.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I'm not trying to convince you, but yes, there IS a God, and because of Him, we ARE already responsible for our own destinies. Without Him, we are only responsible for our own annihilation.

We can continue this in the Spirituality thread I'm eviscerating YIM in.

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
Fear = The realization that there is no God, no reset button and no supreme being holding a safety net for you. If there is no God, you only get one chance. Have you made the most of your opportunity to spit into the void.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here.

If there IS a God, then you've already blown it, haven't you?

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
We can continue this in the Spirituality thread I'm eviscerating YIM in.

You are probably right, this probably isn't the place.

But I'm not going in there. Just like I don't walk down certain streets in my town at night. I might have the Light of Truth with me, but that isn't going to stop a bullet. Or a metaphorical one.




**Warning: Humor alert**

Another innocent's blood shed in Spirituality... have you no shame?

**End Humor Alert**

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
We can continue this in the Spirituality thread I'm eviscerating YIM in.

eviscerating - what lovelly words you are knowlagable in hoh! But you're bark has been proved stronger then your bite.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Ok, I will play your Devil's Advocate (there's some irony there).

In your modified scenario, I would still be glad that he's no longer able to inflict the same pain on others. But I would also wish that I was the one to throw the switch on the bastard.

what if there was an option that didn't allow him/her to inflict the same pain on others, be locked in solitary confinement for the rest of their life, no pleasure in any forum, a living hell until they die? seems to me that the death penalty isn't in fact the 'maximum punishment' think about it, if you had done something that warrants the 'maximum punishment' would you rather have your life ended quickly, electric chair... lethal injection... bullet to the dead anything that the system wants to use or would you rather be locked up in a small (just enough to stand or lay down) dark (no light, no windows) room for the rest of your life, no cloths, nothing to sleep on, just the hard concrete floor and giving only just enough rice and water to keep you alive if you want to eat it, nothing more. you have the choice, you can eat your rice, drink your water and stay alive with your own mind as company or you can choose not to eat, not to drink... maybe you can strangle yourself with your bare hands but other than that there's no way out of it. which would you prefer? i would go for the quicker route myself.

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
Yes, a person that with malice and forethought has unlawfully committed the crime of murder should be executed.

Am I somehow being unclear or inconsistent in presenting this position?

No. Just unable to learn from history.

Originally posted by trev33
what if there was an option that didn't allow him/her to inflict the same pain on others, be locked in solitary confinement for the rest of their life, no pleasure in any forum, a living hell until they die? seems to me that the death penalty isn't in fact the 'maximum punishment' think about it, if you had done something that warrants the 'maximum punishment ...[text shortened]... here's no way out of it. which would you prefer? i would go for the quicker route myself.

I would give him that, if that were his choice. I would be satisfied knowing the issue is resolved with certainty than to one day be confronted with news that he somehow escaped from prison. I wish the justice system in this country concerned itself more with justice for the victims and their families than it does with the legal rights of those convicted.

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
Slow strangulation would be my preferred method of execution for violent predators/felons.

For myself, if someone was to hurt my daughter, I'd stop at nothing for retrobution.

Here's my "feelings" on the matter, Hand.

You actually believe you are capable of that, REALLY? What legacy is that for your daughter? I know men say this - this business about going after someone who harms their children - but I think it would do much, much more harm to their own families. Your family would need you to be strong, to take care of them, to love them, to seek justice in a civilized manner, according to the law, whether you disagree with the law or you are enraged or not. This is what separates you from the animals.

I completely abhor capital punishment. The US needs to work on our sentencing laws, our treatment of drug abusers/traffickers, child predators, and violent criminals, yes. Violent criminals should get life in prison. We have more than enough money in our coffers for prisons, treatment, aftercare, etc. The US is just full of crap and doesn't REALLY care enough about the devestation wrought on families by lunatics. We spend money on other stupid things. The consequence of that is pervasive, generational abusers of all kinds. It sickens me. It saddens me.

I have loved ones who have done things for drugs that are horrifying. One example: I've visited my sister in prison a few times, it did no good. She deserved it, yes, but it did no good. It just added to the damage. She became more of a desperate animal.

I don't believe a human being should be killed in the name of anything or for any type of revenge. It's so wrong, it's so uncivilized and stupid in my view, I can hardly begin to get past my disgust. And the fact that proponents of capital punishment bring God into the argument makes it even more absurd. In God's name, let's put a person to death. Let's pray, as we, ourselves, good people, kill a human being in the name of law. Awful, awful.

Sorry, Suzianne, but I disagree with just about everything you have said and I find it extreme and kind of sad.

Then, there are the random lunatics that no one could predict the horrors.

If someone hurt my children, I would focus on justice and healing my child and my family.

If my child ever hurts someone and goes to prison, they will still be my child and I will love them.

Call me a girl, but capital punishment is not a deterrent and it heals no one. Killing is killing, no matter the reason and no reason is good enough for me.

Originally posted by Sunburnt
Here's my "feelings" on the matter, Hand.

You actually believe you are capable of that, REALLY? What legacy is that for your daughter? I know men say this - this business about going after someone who harms their children - but I think it would do much, much more harm to their own families. Your family would need you to be strong, to take care of them ...[text shortened]... no one. Killing is killing, no matter the reason and no reason is good enough for me.

well put.

Originally posted by Sunburnt
Here's my "feelings" on the matter, Hand.

You actually believe you are capable of that, REALLY? What legacy is that for your daughter? I know men say this - this business about going after someone who harms their children - but I think it would do much, much more harm to their own families. Your family would need you to be strong, to take care of them ...[text shortened]... no one. Killing is killing, no matter the reason and no reason is good enough for me.

Rec'd. You can call me a girl too.

Originally posted by Suzianne
You cannot convince a non-believer to believe by quoting a book he believes was authored by man.

You're spitting into the wind here, GB.

Yes. Of course. However, exposure to and willful rejection of the truth does leave

an individual without excuse in this life, at its conclusion and in the eternal state.

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
Fear = The realization that there is no God, no reset button and no supreme being holding a safety net for you. If there is no God, you only get one chance. Have you made the most of your opportunity to spit into the void.

Old Testament Proverbs, taught by King David to his beloved son Solomon: "A fool rejects his father's discipline, but he who regards reproof is prudent." (Proverbs 15:5)... "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." (1:7)... "A fool always loses his temper, but a wise man holds it back." (29:11)... and David himself in Psalms 14:1, "The fool has said in his heart ('leve' for mind in the Hebrew, 'kardia' for right frontal lobe in the koine Greek) 'There is no God'."


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'Fear' in context = awareness, not some anxiety or hopeless display of gnawing emotion. God is patient and gracious.

You get many chances, one day at a time, just like Pharaoh Amenhotep III. He said 'no to the gift of salvation by faith

alone in Christ alone so often that the scar tissue of his soul became unable to say 'yes'. God is also a gentleman who

respects your will: "Reject my provision for reconciliation and relationship? Fine. Let's make it a permanent arrangement".