22 May 12
social Originally posted by WilfriedvaOk, This is fun. What is the difference between etiquette and social conventions
LOL!
You decide of course.But when exactly is a matter of etiquette.
Other then some,debatable,social conventions there simply are no rules on the moment one should resign.
22 May 12
Originally posted by Bull McCabeThat's not true. It can be both part of the rules and part of etiquette. They are not mutually exclusive. You may disagree with what is correct etiquette, but arguing that anything within the rules is acceptable etiquette is just not the case.
My point exactely. When you resign a game is to do with the rules and not etiquette
Take golf as an example. If Tiger Woods were playing me in matchplay, and he had 4 shots to hole out, on a flat green, to win and and was 8ft from the hole, the rules of the game would allow me to demand that he hole out. However, to actually demand that he does so would be considered by most golfers to be a breach of etiquette.
Play by the strict letter of the rules if you want, but if you do, you will alienate a lot of people you play against. If you don't care, then fine, but that just means that you have no interest in etiquette.
It does not mean that etiquette does not exist and has no value.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderIt's a bit like someone who argues "Everything I did was perfectly legal" as if the only measure of acceptable behaviour is what is legal.
That's not true. It can be both part of the rules and part of etiquette. They are not mutually exclusive. You may disagree with what is correct etiquette, but arguing that anything within the rules is acceptable etiquette is just not the case.
Take golf as an example. If Tiger Woods were playing me in matchplay, and he had 4 shots to hole out, o no interest in etiquette.
It does not mean that etiquette does not exist and has no value.
Well, adultery in the UK is legal, but I doubt my wife would see this as a particularly persuasive argument!
So, by all means force a 2200 ELO player to play on an extra 10 moves in a K v K & R endgame, but don't be surprised if that person declines your offer of a rematch.
22 May 12
Originally posted by Rank outsiderWe are talking the general rule here, not playing Tiger. If you were in a badly losing position v Anand, it would good manners to resign, but we are talking the general rule.
It's a bit like someone who argues "Everything I did was perfectly legal" as if the only measure of acceptable behaviour is what is legal.
Well, adultery in the UK is legal, but I doubt my wife would see this as a particularly persuasive argument!
So, by all means force a 2200 ELO player to play on an extra 10 moves in a K v K & R endgame, but don't be surprised if that person declines your offer of a rematch.
22 May 12
Originally posted by Bull McCabeI think I did state a general rule.
We are talking the general rule here, not playing Tiger. If you were in a badly losing position v Anand, it would good manners to resign, but we are talking the general rule.
"But if you know that there is no conceivable chance of extracting a win or a draw, you really should resign."
It doesn't matter who the opponent is. If you think you can win, or squeak a draw, I have no beef in you playing on. If there is no prospect of this happening (and you must decide this) then you should resign.
Do you disagree with this?
22 May 12
Originally posted by Bull McCabeActually, if I were playing Anand, and I ended up with K&R v his K, then it would be bad manners for him not to resign, even at my modest level of chess.
We are talking the general rule here, not playing Tiger. If you were in a badly losing position v Anand, it would good manners to resign, but we are talking the general rule.
22 May 12
Originally posted by Rank outsiderYes; in the case of players of fairly equal strengh I disagree
I think I did state a general rule.
[b]"But if you know that there is no conceivable chance of extracting a win or a draw, you really should resign."
It doesn't matter who the opponent is. If you think you can win, or squeak a draw, I have no beef in you playing on. If there is no prospect of this happening (and you must decide this) then you should resign.
Do you disagree with this?[/b]