Maybe this is a trick in the ever present psychological warfare during such a WC(hehe)ship match .....
Initiated by the Kramnik team of course, let there be no doubt about that. The Topalov team simply has to react to such an unusual behaviour ... and then the shit really starts hitting the fan. This isn't about who's got the strongest bladder but who of the two contestants has got the strongest nerve system. Who can handle stress the best ? It's all part of the Royal Game ......
Originally posted by RahimKActually if I recall correctly it was Toppys manager who claimed he had the chip. He bragged that they went to the states and paid $2mil to get it. So I figure it must be a joke.
I can't find it anymore 🙁 Was it from chessbase or chessgames.com?
How dumb is that? you are down 2-0 and people accuse you of having a chip. Must be some crappy chip.
Well I read that article and 50 time to washroom is crazy.
I was thinking it was liek 10 or so which is reasonable for a sick person.
50 is a lot. Personally I don't like to sit at the table w/ my opponent while they think. I can visualize all but the most complex positions so I typically get up, walk around and drink water while my opponent moves. This also allows me to see the games the masters are playing. Honestly, just be reasonable, ask for security measures to be put in place. Besides, no computer would have made the particular blunders Kramnik has (Bxf8 instead of Kxf8).
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Maybe Kramnik is going to the bathroom to keep the parapsychologist on Topalov's team from reading his mind!
Maybe he shoud invest in some tinfoil and fashion himself a big wizard's hat to block his thoughts.
Also, I wonder if it was the parapsychologist that suggested to Topalov that Kramnik was cheating.
"– Are you disturbed by a parapsychologist in the Topalov team?
– I can tell my personal attitude. I do not want to sound rude, but in my opinion using parapsy-chologists is just nonsense (a stronger expression was used – ed.). Such things begin to affect only when you take them seriously, and we do not. Vladimir has a very strong personality, and he feels fully responsible for his own decisions, both at the board and outside it. So there is nothing to worry about. "
Originally posted by zebanoYes that's the way I read it also but I believe he said that only after someone claimed that Top. had a chip in his head.
Actually if I recall correctly it was Toppys manager who claimed he had the chip. He bragged that they went to the states and paid $2mil to get it. So I figure it must be a joke.
50 is a lot. Personally I don't like to sit at the table w/ my opponent while they think. I can visualize all but the most complex positions so I typically get up, walk around a ...[text shortened]... esides, no computer would have made the particular blunders Kramnik has (Bxf8 instead of Kxf8).
He was sort of saying are you dumb? O yes, we paid $2mil to implant it in the states.
That's the way I read it.
Thanks other person, yes it was the Polgar site.
Originally posted by SupermanNow seriously: it is possible if he is taken diuretic drugs such as hydroclorptiazide to control possible peaks of high blood pressure, not uncommon even in healthy and young people during a nervous state, and less if they have a history of arterial hypertension.
Yes you are rigth on this, but I think top has a point:
15.54 – Kramnik plays move 15
15.55 – Goes into the bathroom
15.56 – Goes out of the bathroom
15.57 – Goes into the bathroom
15.59 – Goes out of the bathroom
16.03 – Goes into the bathroom
16.04 – Goes out the bathroom
16.07 – Comes out for move 16
Why would you go to the bathroom every m ...[text shortened]... gets it, or he could be going in and out to avoid suspicion, which he hasn't. I am just saying.
A weak hypotesys, I know. But I think it's valid.
Originally posted by CrazyLilTingDoes this mean that performance enhancing drugs could be a part of this plot ?
Now seriously: it is possible if he is taken diuretic drugs such as hydroclorptiazide to control possible peaks of high blood pressure, not uncommon even in healthy and young people during a nervous state, and less if they have a history of arterial hypertension.
A weak hypotesys, I know. But I think it's valid.
Originally posted by zebanoit looks to me like that's what it's all about. they are not satisfied with the level of security measures, and are making a point. wether or not kramnik is cheating is irrelevant in that regard. it's clear he esily could be if he wanted to, so what should they think of it? leave it all to the personal integrity of their opponent? hardly satisfactory.
ask for security measures to be put in place.
...on the other hand, maybe kramnik has understood the term 'WC match' just a little bit too literally...
I would have thought that arbiters escort/follow players to the bathroom as standard procedure in FIDE events.
However I would have to say it is Topalov who should be brought into account for his sloppy play. How would one explain his explosive perfomances and sudden collapse in this event?
Originally posted by z00tUm, it seems to me that this is fundamentally a different game than what Topalov is accustomed to playing.
However I would have to say it is Topalov who should be brought into account for his sloppy play. How would one explain his explosive perfomances and sudden collapse in this event?
In a tournament, in order to win you've got to amass a large quantity of victories. In order to give themself a chance to win, everyone is going to have to play aggressively. This is true of RHP tournaments as well, except for the duels. Draws aren't good enough, so you've got to take risks and complicate things. Lately, Topalov has excelled in this format, but in match play this is not the case.
Perhaps Topalov is playing poorly because of this difference. It will be interesting to see if he can recover.
Originally posted by leisurelyslothI don't buy the matches vs tournaments argument, given that there is no world champion in past history who excelled at matches but performed poorly in tournies. If you woke Karpov, Fischer, Botvinik etc at night they could still play a good game.
Um, it seems to me that this is fundamentally a different game than what Topalov is accustomed to playing.
In a tournament, in order to win you've got to amass a large quantity of victories. In order to give themself a chance to win, everyone is going to have to play aggressively. This is true of RHP tournaments as well, except for the duels. Dr ...[text shortened]... playing poorly because of this difference. It will be interesting to see if he can recover.
The cheating argument is also a farce because then Kramnik could not have made the blunders he did. Had Kramnik's play been 100% accurate, given his showing against Leko then you could argue for cheating. However Kramnik has made mistakes so how can you be cheating and make those mistakes?