King's Gambit and Grob Busted!

Originally posted by diskamyl
the more you diverge from perfection, the less effect of the opening you choose makes on the result of the game.

and I hate the arrogance walking around showing everyone those results which were all against weak opponents. in the only game he played that opening to a strong player, he lost. and there he says the opening didn't make the difference. oh, y ...[text shortened]... me are close (and only close) to perfection, but not would be enough to come to a conclusion.

Who has come to a conclusion

These were not my remarks

The King's Gambit and the Grob Busted? Yes. A certain Bobby Fischer announced in the summer of 1961 exactly that the King's Gambit was busted. The article and the 1961 article are here -> http://www.chesscafe.com/text/bust.txt

As to how the grob was busted I'm tired and will post that tomorrow. Those of you newbies who have to face the grob/king's gambit can now sleep well at night.

I can just give my results to try and show that this statement is far from correct. I am not being arrogant and I accept that I rarely choose the Grob against players rated above 1600.

Originally posted by z00t
The King's Gambit and the Grob Busted? Yes. A certain Bobby Fischer announced in the summer of 1961 exactly that the King's Gambit was busted. The article and the 1961 article are here -> http://www.chesscafe.com/text/bust.txt

As to how the grob was busted I'm tired and will post that tomorrow. Those of you newbies who have to face the grob/king's gambit can now sleep well at night.

You have the weakest attempts at call outs.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
You have the weakest attempts at call outs.

No that would have read the Sicilian Dragon Busted!. Many on this forum are tired of yahoos who wheel out mickey mouse openings vs people much lower ranked than them and claim to be Kasparov based on these results. Play the same opening vs everyone, chess should not be a respecter of persons.

Fischer kicked the a$$es of full blooded Soviet GMs 6-0 not newbies. If you have a problem with Fischer's claim get on your bike and look for Fischer in Iceland.

Originally posted by z00t

Fischer kicked the a$$es of full blooded Soviet GMs 6-0 not newbies. If you have a problem with Fischer's claim get on your bike and look for Fischer in Iceland.

They did not play Kings gambit against him 😀

Talking seriously - Fisher is well-known with his categoric and inadequate claims so his claims itself cant be proof.

upd. Here is "proof" of his claim 😀

[Event "Hamburg"]
[Site "Hamburg"]
[Date "1982.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Boris Spassky"]
[Black "Anatoli Karpov"]
[ECO "C34"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "167"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d6 4. Bc4 h6 5. d4 g5 6. O-O Bg7
7. g3 g4 8. Nh4 f3 9. Nc3 Nc6 10. Be3 Nf6 11. Qd2 Nxe4
12. Nxe4 d5 13. Nc3 dxc4 14. Rae1 O-O 15. d5 Ne7 16. Bxh6 Ng6
17. Nxg6 fxg6 18. Bxg7 Kxg7 19. Qd4+ Qf6 20. Re7+ Kg8 21. Qxf6
Rxf6 22. Rxc7 Bf5 23. Rxc4 Re8 24. h3 Bxc2 25. Rd4 gxh3
26. Kh2 f2 27. Kxh3 Re1 28. Kg2 Rxf1 29. Kxf1 Rf3 30. Rd2 Bd3+
31. Rxd3 Rxd3 32. Kxf2 Kf7 33. g4 Rd2+ 34. Ke3 Rxb2 35. Kd4
Ke7 36. Ke5 Rg2 37. d6+ Kd8 38. Kf4 Kd7 39. Ne4 Rxa2 40. Ke5
Ra5+ 41. Kf6 b5 42. Nc5+ Kxd6 43. Nb7+ Kc7 44. Nxa5 Kb6
45. Nb3 a5 46. Kxg6 a4 47. Nd2 Kc5 48. Kf5 Kb4 49. g5 a3
50. g6 a2 51. g7 a1=Q 52. g8=Q Qd4 53. Ne4 Ka3 54. Qa8+ Kb2
55. Qa6 b4 56. Qe2+ Ka3 57. Nd2 b3 58. Nb1+ Kb4 59. Qe1+ Ka4
60. Nc3+ Ka5 61. Ne2+ Qb4 62. Qa1+ Kb6 63. Qb2 Qc5+ 64. Kf4
Qc4+ 65. Ke3 Qc5+ 66. Nd4 Qe7+ 67. Kd3 Qb4 68. Nxb3 Qb5+
69. Ke4 Qb4+ 70. Ke3 Qe7+ 71. Kd3 Qh7+ 72. Kc3 Qh3+ 73. Kb4
Qd7 74. Qf2+ Kc7 75. Nc5 Qe7 76. Qg3+ Kc6 77. Qg2+ Kb6
78. Qg6+ Kc7 79. Kb5 Qe2+ 80. Nd3 Qe7 81. Qc6+ Kd8 82. Qa8+
Kc7 83. Qa7+ Kd8 84. Qb8+ 1-0

Originally posted by Korch
They did not play Kings gambit against him 😀

Talking seriously - Fisher is well-known with his categoric and inadequate claims so his claims itself cant be proof.

upd. Here is "proof" of his claim 😀

[Event "Hamburg"]
[Site "Hamburg"]
[Date "1982.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Boris Spassky"]
[Black "Anatoli Karpov ...[text shortened]... Qe2+ 80. Nd3 Qe7 81. Qc6+ Kd8 82. Qa8+
Kc7 83. Qa7+ Kd8 84. Qb8+ 1-0

too bad karpov didn't know KG was 'bust' at the peak of his career. 😛

Originally posted by z00t
The King's Gambit and the Grob Busted? Yes. A certain Bobby Fischer announced in the summer of 1961 exactly that the King's Gambit was busted. The article and the 1961 article are here -> http://www.chesscafe.com/text/bust.txt

As to how the grob was busted I'm tired and will post that tomorrow. Those of you newbies who have to face the grob/king's gambit can now sleep well at night.

fischer's anti-KG tirade is old...
and he only wrote it because Spassky handed his butt to him with it...
he developed the ... d6 line of the KGA, and indeed, it is now considered by many to be best, but it is by no means a refutation...
as for he grob, white only plays it with the assumption that black doesn't know a thread of Grob theory...
grob is useless at GM level

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Fischer wrote that article in a fit of pique after being BEATEN by the King's Gambit in a tournament, he never refuted anything. After it was printed, the KG did fall out of favor, strangely, even though it was written about a game he lost . He did yammer on about all the great moves he could of made, but it was just a bunch of sour grapes that did a disservice to a great opening.
I thought everybody knew about that weird article.

Fischer once made the claim that he missed a win in every game that he lost or drew! 😲

Originally posted by z00t
No that would have read [b]the Sicilian Dragon Busted!. Many on this forum are tired of yahoos who wheel out mickey mouse openings vs people much lower ranked than them and claim to be Kasparov based on these results. Play the same opening vs everyone, chess should not be a respecter of persons.

Fischer kicked the a$$es of full blooded Soviet GMs 6-0 not ...[text shortened]... s. If you have a problem with Fischer's claim get on your bike and look for Fischer in Iceland.[/b]

wtflip are you talking about?
Spassky handed Fischer's butt too him with the king's gambit (as mentioned in previous post)
Fischer is a quack...
only admire his OTB brilliancies...
pay no mind to his outrageous off-he-board comments...
compare 99% of the stuff he says to kasparov's claim that deep blue cheated...
now, how exactly the finest chess program on earth can cheat is beyond me...

Originally posted by Arrakis
Fischer once made the claim that he missed a win in every game that he lost or drew! 😲

that's a redundancy more than anything else...
"I lost because I missed the win"

I'm doing a beginners guide to the 2-knight's/Traxler variation at the moment.
A total un-bustable!
😉

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
fischer's anti-KG tirade is old...
and he only wrote it because Spassky handed his butt to him with it...
he developed the ... d6 line of the KGA, and indeed, it is now considered by many to be best, but it is by no means a refutation...
as for he grob, white only plays it with the assumption that black doesn't know a thread of Grob theory...
grob is useless at GM level

He popularized, not developed, it.

Originally posted by z00t
No that would have read [b]the Sicilian Dragon Busted!. Many on this forum are tired of yahoos who wheel out mickey mouse openings vs people much lower ranked than them and claim to be Kasparov based on these results. Play the same opening vs everyone, chess should not be a respecter of persons.

Fischer kicked the a$$es of full blooded Soviet GMs 6-0 not ...[text shortened]... s. If you have a problem with Fischer's claim get on your bike and look for Fischer in Iceland.[/b]

Before switching primarily to 1.d4 I used the KG every time I got, against every player.

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
wtflip are you talking about?
Spassky handed Fischer's butt too him with the king's gambit (as mentioned in previous post)
Fischer is a quack...
only admire his OTB brilliancies...
pay no mind to his outrageous off-he-board comments...
compare 99% of the stuff he says to kasparov's claim that deep blue cheated...
now, how exactly the finest chess program on earth can cheat is beyond me...

Kasparov claimed that A Human player (GM obvoiusally!) was behind the scenes making the computer more efficient --

for example, the computer may not understand some of Kasparov's moves, and therefore play incorrectly (eg. a long-term sacrifice) --but a human GM would obvoiusally see through such a thing and therefore "delete" that line from the search tree.



In one of the games within the match Kasaparov was outraged when deep blue did not accept his pawn sacrifice his arguement went along the lines of "thats what fritz did" -- "thats how computers play"

KG miniature played 2 hours ago. So I`m claiming that KG cant be busted 😀

[Event "Rated game, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Main Playing Hall"]
[Date "2007.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Korch"]
[Black "jpmoulain"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C36"]
[WhiteElo "2142"]
[BlackElo "2151"]
[PlyCount "33"]
[EventDate "2007.05.01"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. e4 {0} e5 {1} 2. f4 {1} d5 {2} 3. exd5 {1} exf4 {1} 4. Nf3 {1} Nf6 {1} 5.
Bc4 {2} Nxd5 {1} 6. O-O {1} Be6 {1} 7. Qe2 {6} Be7 {1} 8. Nc3 {1} Nxc3 {3} 9.
dxc3 {0} Bxc4 {2} 10. Qxc4 {0} g5 {4} 11. Ne5 {4} O-O {5} 12. Bxf4 {9} gxf4 {9}
13. Rxf4 {1} Bf6 {3} 14. Rg4+ {14} Bg7 {4} 15. Rf1 {2} Qe7 {17} 16. Nxf7 {35}
Nc6 {31} 17. Rxg7+ {20} 1-0

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.04.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "fifthavenue"]
[Black "crxboyz"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1357"]
[BlackElo "1265"]
[ECO "C36"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d5 4. exd5 Nf6 5. c4 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Bd3 Re8+ 8.
Be2 Qe7 9. Nc3 Bb4 10. Bxf4 Bg4 11. Kf2 Bxc3 12. bxc3 Ne4+ 13. Kf1 Nxc3 14.
Qc2 Qxe2+ 15. Qxe2 Nxe2 16. Bxc7 Bxf3 17. gxf3 Nxd4 18. Rg1 Nxf3 19. Rg3 Nd2+
20. Kf2 Ne4+ {fifthavenue resigns} 0-1