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Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 Originally posted by z00t
Some dude has listed a few variants of the so called grob here -
http://nestore.mysteria.cz/analyses.htm
Wikipedia rightly calls it [b]an unconventional chess opening where White immediately moves the king knight's pawn two squares ahead: 1.g4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob's_Attack[/b]And which of these variants are refutation of Grob?
Joined 13 Apr '06 Moves 2683 Originally posted by Korch
And which of these variants are refutation of Grob? The main "grob" involves giving up the g4 pawn which is unsound.
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Joined 14 Nov '06 Moves 17862 Originally posted by z00t
The main "grob" involves giving up the g4 pawn which is unsound. ahh.. beatiful. Thankyou.
Ok, I hate to say it but I think it's about time you and Korch have a game with grob's gambit.
Lets try to settle this in a RahimK sorta way π
Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 Originally posted by z00t
The main "grob" involves giving up the g4 pawn which is unsound. In Grob white after 1...d5 can get playable position without giving up their g pawn. If you have checked these lines carefully, you had to see it.
Joined 14 Jul '06 Moves 20541 Originally posted by Korch
In Grob white after 1...d5 can get playable position without giving up their g pawn. If you have checked these lines carefully, you had to see it. With 1...e5 & dark square counter-strategy from black, the Grob can look like a fool's errand.
Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 Originally posted by Squelchbelch
With 1...e5 & dark square counter-strategy from black, the Grob can look like a fool's errand. Yes - if white does not know how to play. But its not bad plan for black.
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Joined 06 Jun '06 Moves 30390 Originally posted by Squelchbelch
With 1...e5 & dark square counter-strategy from black, the Grob can look like a fool's errand. I could show a few dozen games that show otherwise!
Would you like to see them?
Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 Originally posted by Dragon Fire
I could show a few dozen games that show otherwise!
Would you like to see them? Our game for example π
searching for truth
Joined 06 Jun '06 Moves 30390 Originally posted by Korch
Our game for example π I think that is the
only Grob I have lost from 60 plus games.
That is a
better result with white than I have achieved in any other opening.
Besides you have 200 rating points on me - you are expected to win.
Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 Originally posted by Dragon Fire
I think that is the [b]only Grob I have lost from 60 plus games.
That is a better result with white than I have achieved in any other opening.[/b]Are you sure that such good result you would achieve if you would use Grob against 1900+ players more often?
searching for truth
Joined 06 Jun '06 Moves 30390 Originally posted by Korch
Are you sure that such good result you would achieve if you would use Grob against 1900+ players more often? Game 2946193
π
but maybe this is more appropriate
Game 3092028
Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 That the way how Fisher "refuted" Kings gambit π
Take a note - that game was played in 1963 - after his "refutation" article in 1961.
[Event "New York ch-US Rd: 2"]
[Site "New York ch-US Rd: 2"]
[Date "1963.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Robert James Fischer"]
[Black "Larry Melvyn Evans"]
[ECO "C33"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "71"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 d6 5. Nc3 Be6 6. Qe2 c6
7. Nf3 Qe7 8. d4 Bxc4 9. Qxc4 g5 10. e5 d5 11. Qd3 Na6 12. Ne2
Nb4 13. Qd1 O-O-O 14. c3 Na6 15. h4 g4 16. Nh2 h5 17. Nxf4
Qxh4 18. Kg1 Nh6 19. Nf1 Qe7 20. Nxh5 Rg8 21. Nfg3 Rg6 22. Nf4
Rg5 23. Be3 Nc7 24. Qd2 Rg8 25. Nfe2 f6 26. exf6 Qxf6 27. Bxh6
Bd6 28. Rf1 Qe6 29. Bf4 Rde8 30. Rh6 Bxf4 31. Qxf4 Qe7 32. Rf6
Ne6 33. Qe5 Ng5 34. Qxe7 Rxe7 35. Rf8+ Rxf8 36. Rxf8+ 1-0
Joined 18 Oct '06 Moves 2042 I was taught to play like this. (for black)
1. g4 d5
2. Bg2 Bxg4
3. c4 d4
4. Bxb7 Nd7
5. Bxa8 Qxa8
6. f3....(Nf3 fails to d3)
After that black is down an exchange but is compensated for it by having 3 pieces developed and white's crappy pawns make for nice targets.
Joined 19 Nov '05 Moves 3112 Resurrecting this thread just reminds me of Korch and others who don't post too much anymore. π
Joined 12 Nov '06 Moves 74414 Originally posted by exigentsky
Resurrecting this thread just reminds me of Korch and others who don't post too much anymore. π I don't need to be reminded of korch's postings. He posts quite freqently in the chess warriors private forumπ
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