Originally posted by Dragon FireNo, my rating doesn't warrant such a thing.
You have not played me or User 219403 or User 240601
Meanwhile can't you read? 2 responded Qh4+ and both games were won by white!
Anyway, can you post links to those games wheren Qh4+ was played?
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Originally posted by ChessJesterGame 2187880 and Game 2211525
No, my rating doesn't warrant such a thing.
Anyway, can you post links to those games wheren Qh4+ was played?
Not the best of games against the strongest opponents . The 2nd game is the better but I fear good players just won't play Qh4+ as it is not a great move for black.
The loss of the Q in game 1 may seem a blunder but it is lost anyway. In the variations played here by black the Q was terribly exposed.
Originally posted by Dragon FireThat's, quite honestly, the nicest compliment I've ever received from anybody on this site. Especially considering how poor I am with the KG compared to the top players on this site.
You have not played me or User 219403 or User 240601
Meanwhile can't you read? 2 responded Qh4+ and both games were won by white!
Originally posted by ChessJesterJester, trust me when I say that 2...Qh4+ is among black's weaker moves against the KG.
disregard please
I know that FICS says differently, but they're wrong. Disregard that tutorial. Yes I watched it, but I don't actually remember the lines they even gave (I've never faced this defense anyway...). It's playable, but it's not the way to secure an advantage. IMO, and my stats agree, accepting the gambit creates the most problems for white. There are plently of threads here that describe how black can attempt to fight the KG. Of course, white will still win 97% of the time, but hey, you can try.
Originally posted by ChessJesterI looked through your games. Took about 10 minutes, and I want those 10 minutes back. Guess how many games I found of you playing against the KG. 0. So now I think you're lying. Both about playing against it on here, and about not having trouble against it. So unless you can come up with a PGN or link I won't believe you.
Yes I have played acouple on here, but I didn't put them in folders and don't have the patience to search right now... but I have a link to that tutorial you are talking about!
http://www.freechess.org/~toddmf/lecbot/lec1
Originally posted by ChessJesterThat's too hard to follow. I'd need just the mainlines to be able to follow it easily. But it's definitely not the best way to play for black.
Yes I have played acouple on here, but I didn't put them in folders and don't have the patience to search right now... but I have a link to that tutorial you are talking about!
http://www.freechess.org/~toddmf/lecbot/lec1
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Originally posted by ChessJesterYou have your chance. I have sent you 2 challenges.
The correct response is 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Qh4+ 3.g3 Qe7 4.fxe5 d6
Game 2476503 and Game 2476497 as black and white. Lets see this opening of yours. I have no problem with people commenting on your moves in both these games after you have made them.
Good luck! We will see if you know anything about the K G A!
Originally posted by Dragon Firethe problem is I don't play the kings gambit at all... so I'm likely to lose as white
You haveyour chance. I have sent you 2 challenges.
Game 2476503 and Game 2476497 as black and white. Lets see this opening of yours. I have no problem with people commenting on your moves in both these games [b]after you have made them.
Good luck![/b]
Originally posted by cmsMasterI did some quick research and found that in many lines black reaches equality or better. Unfortunately for black "most" lines isn't the same as "all" lines. After a quick glance I quite enjoyed the following line for white (Which I think offers a small edge)
That's too hard to follow. I'd need just the mainlines to be able to follow it easily. But it's definitely not the best way to play for black.
1.e4 e5
2.f4 Qh4
3.g3 (Practically forced) Qe7
4.fxe5 - Also possible here is the wild {4.Nc3 exf4 5.d4!?} Sadly however next to this move was a note saying that although play is extremely sharp, there is no clear advantage for white.
4...d6! A key move apparently. Worse is Qxe5, although still playable.
5.Nc3! (My own annotation there, the source that I gained this line from wasn't kind enough to grant it.) This is also a key move. White's other moves hand equality right over to black. Especially awful is exd6? (CMS) because it practically forces an even game. I.e. 5...Qxe4+ 6.Qe2 Qxe2+ 7.Nxe2 Bxd6 (See FEN)
The other option for white is 5.d4 which also looks interesting.
After 5.Nc3 black's best option is 5...dxe5 (See FEN on the following post)
After which white has several options. Here is the complete list...
6.Nd5 (Kleinschroth Variation)
6.Nf3 - I'd be likely to play this
6.d3
6.Bh3
The position seems to be slightly in white's favor. Even material, white has a cental pawn majority, a lead in development, and black's development will be slightly hindered by the queen on e7, forcing black to waste an extra tempo. I do have to admit though, that this line seems more playable than I first imagined it. However, if I were playing black against the KG this is not the position in which I would like to find myself.
Originally posted by cmsMaster
I did some quick research and found that in many lines black reaches equality or better. Unfortunately for black "most" lines isn't the same as "all" lines. After a quick glance I quite enjoyed the following line for white (Which I think offers a small edge)
1.e4 e5
2.f4 Qh4
3.g3 (Practically forced) Qe7
4.fxe5 - Also possible here is the wild {4.N ...[text shortened]... g black against the KG this is not the position in which I would like to find myself.
White to move.
This is the position arising after the mainline which I gave in the above post.
Originally posted by Dragon FireJust as I expected! You number make sense to me now that I see what your opponents were playing.
I created a folder for Kings Gambit on RHP. It was then easy to count them up.
Of the 56 games 32 (57.1% ) responded 2. .. eXf
5 responded d6 (I lost 1 of these);
4 responded d5;
3 respnded Nf6;
2 responded f6, Nc6, Bc5, Qf6 and Qh4;
1 responded Bd6 and f5.
Some of these responses were bad and black got slaughtered quickly. 2. .. d5 caused me ...[text shortened]... se of 3. .. d5 after 3. Nf3. I used to play 3. .. g5 but got into a lot of difficulty at times.
You gotta know the openings you play. I don't want to give anything away so I will stop there 🙂