and not only the 10 years old...what makes that game more publishable is that mine was played in correspondence chess in fast computers era...so I doubt anyone from some chess site or magazin would take it serious...especially that even when I showed it in my chess club the first question was: did you use engine help ? 🙁
I am waiting a bit more(a couple of monthes) to get a decent ELO rating(it is only provisional now) and maybe after that I will try to submit it(I might get more credibility after)...
If someone stronger(master or so) would come to say "I played this in correspondence chess" many will believe...if noname would come, who would believe...
still, on the other side maybe until I submit it the computers will get so strong as they will spot this sacrifice imediately right...hehe
Originally posted by vipiuThat's a real shame. That was a wonderful game, and I'm sorry not everyone can genuinely appreciate it.
...when I showed it in my chess club, the first question was: did you use engine help?
If it makes you feel better, I have your game bookmarked with RHP's new bookmark feature, and rest assured it will always be there. 🙂
Originally posted by vipiuOf course, it's reverse psyhology. But you do not have to try to justify yourself !! I believe you 100 %, you have strong enough rating and you speak about position with great understanding ! (I wish I could play at this level)
and, do you think anyone would open a thread for a game in which he cheats ? 🙂
Beautiful game, congratulations !
🙂
I would call it "Immortal game two" 😛
EDIT: I can't speak only in chess terms and analyze position because I am not that good. But I know every good chess instructors teach that any kind of mechanical thinking or chess dogmas are bad. Sure, the move is unconventional and difficult to find, but if you have open mind, you are good at tactics and you use a little bit of serious lateral thinking and imagination, sure it's possible from great player to achieve it without the damn engine !
Vipiu, post it everywhere on the net ! ! ! The more I look at it, the more beautifull this game is !!!!!
Originally posted by vipiuWow, that's absolutely brilliant - you should be really proud of that game, I'd print out a picture of the position after the queen sac, get it framed, and hang it up in my room. 🙂
I think I have just finished my best chess game ever (still, I need to recheck it wit a computer to see if my sacrifices were correct)...anyway, the Q sack is for sure winning:
Game 3967407
Originally posted by zintierivhi,
hi vipiu , what happened with this already RHP-famous game ? it was published in a chess journal , or commented in a chess website ?
thanks for the question...and for reminding me
someone(I do not remember exactly who, as the messages get automatically deleted after some time on this site 🙁 ) sent it to a chess site where it was published and commented about an IM or so there-ok, the site is not very well organized and I can not find the game there right now, but the site is:
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/DrMJDonnelly/
now, as I've got an ELO rating I wanted to comment it and send it to chessbase guys(or to some more famous places) but as I am a bit too lazy I haven't commented it yet...but I will do it soon(I hope) 🙂
maybe it would be more valuable if I would tell them that I found it in a very old letter as a game NN vs Alekhine 😀
It doesn't work so well when loading into a chess program, but... here it is. Annotated by SIM M.J. Donnelly.
[Event "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Telboy 2 (ENG)"]
[Black "vipiu (CYPRUS)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C02"]
[WhiteElo "1869"]
[BlackElo "1873"]
[Annotator "M.J.Donnelly"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[EventType "corr"]
1. e4 e6 {The counter-attacking French Defence a great favourite of both
Botvinnik and Korchnoi as well as Nigel Short.} 2. d4 (2. b3 {is an alternative
well worth considering and is the subject of a fine book by Thomas Johansson
entitled "The Fascinating Reti Gambit". Another rare line which I have tried
several times as White is 2. c4 which also gets the game off the beaten track
early on.}) 2... d5 3. e5 {The Advance variation where White aims to gain
space and restrict Black's main problem piece-the bishop on c8.} c5 4. Nf3 {
The most common alternative to Whites most frequent move here of 4. c3.} Nc6 5.
Bb5 {John Watson in his excellent book on the French points out that whilst
this move has been played fairly frequently it loses time and Black has scored
no less than 80% in games after Blacks next move.} Qb6 {Black often plays this
move adding further pressure to d4 but here the queen move also kicks the
bishop on b5.} 6. Nc3 cxd4 ({
This looks even stonger than Watsons recommendation of} 6... Bd7 7. Bxc6 bxc6
8. dxc5 Bxc5 9. O-O {Brans-Nikolic, Dresden 2000.}) 7. Nxd4 (7. Bxc6+ bxc6 8.
Qxd4 (8. Nxd4 $6 Ba6 9. Nce2 Bc5 10. O-O $2 {drops a piece to} Bxd4 11. Qxd4
Bxe2 {Sloan-Terrington, EK87 Compuserve 1995.}) 8... Bc5 9. Qd2 Ne7 10. O-O O-O
{is about level but not after} 11. Qg5 $2 h6 ({why not} 11... Ba6) 12. Qg4 Nf5
13. Nh4 Ba6 $17 {Dobravec-Brvar, SLO-ch U10 2007 still its interesting to note
that children under 10 can play as well as this!}) 7... Bd7 {So White has not
only lost time but Black is on the verge of solving the problem of the "bad
bishop" on c8. If Black can satisfactorily solve this in the French then he is
generally on the way to obtaining a good game.} (7... Bb4 {is poor as after} 8.
O-O Bxc3 9. bxc3 Nge7 10. Ba3 {White has a very strong initiative eg} Qc7 11.
Bd6 Qd7 12. c4 {Paolo-Dumpster, HCL-E415 www.playchess.de 2002.}) 8. Bxc6 bxc6
9. O-O (9. Nb3 {is weaker for instance after} c5 10. O-O Ne7 11. Re1 Ng6 12.
Qe2 c4 13. Nd2 Bc5 14. Nf3 O-O 15. Rb1 a5 $15 {
Magalhaes-Duben, KO-163.2.4 IECC 2000.}) 9... c5 10. Nf3 Ne7 11. Ne2 $6 {
Its not clear what White intended with this move-} (11. a4 {
is a better option aiming to harass the Black queen} Nf5 12. Ng5 $6 (12. a5 $5)
12... Rd8 13. a5 Qc7 14. Bf4 Qb7 15. b3 Be7 16. Ne2 O-O $17 {
Edick-Sieh, IECG CL-5(1) 1995.}) 11... Nf5 12. c3 {Normally this move is fine
in supporting a pawn or piece on d4 but here it does not in fact support
anything.} Be7 13. b3 {A further weakening move as now Black can aim to attack
b3 via the pawn advance a5-a4. Better is to challenge Black's central knight
on f5 with Ng3.} a5 14. c4 d4 {Simple but effective chess-Black gains a
guarded passed pawn in the centre which restricts Whites black squared bishop
to boot.} 15. Bg5 f6 {A typical "French" move where Black gets rid of the
cramping pawn on e5 and in this case with tempo gain.} 16. exf6 gxf6 {
Opening the g-file for an attack on the White king. Note that whilst Black's
king is still uncastled it is not in any danger due to Black's pawn mass
giving such good central control.} 17. Bf4 $2 {This is a fatal error since it
allows e5, and hence potentially e4, with gain of tempo.} (17. Bd2 {
instead gives some hope.}) 17... Rg8 18. h3 {Steinitz long ago stated one
should never weakens your king cover by pawn advances unless absolutely forced
to and here White did not have to make this move.} ({After} 18. Ng3 {
White is worst but still in the game.}) 18... e5 {
Now Black runs amok with a magnificent finish.} 19. Bh2 ({If instead} 19. Bd2 {
then simply} Qc6 {threat Qxf3 is overwhelming.}) 19... Rxg2+ $3 {
Simply brilliant!} 20. Kxg2 Qb7 21. Bg3 (21. Kg1 Qxf3 22. Ng3 Nh4 23. Qxf3
Nxf3+ 24. Kg2 Nh4+ 25. Kg1 Bxh3 {wins easily as Black can play Kf7 to bring
the queens rook into the attack and hit the Ng3 with h5-h4 or f5-f4.}) 21...
Qxf3+ {The real point of the combination started with 19...Rxg2+} 22. Kxf3 {
Now its a forced mate in 8 moves-can you visualise it from here?} (22. Kh2 {
offers no real hope eg} Bc6 23. Nf4 (23. Rg1 Nxg3 24. Nxg3 Qxf2+ {mates}) 23...
exf4 24. Qxf3 Bxf3 25. Bxf4 O-O-O {and with two pieces for a rook plus a
powerful passed d-pawn Black has an easy win here.}) 22... Bc6+ 23. Kg4 {
White bravely continues and sends his king on a walk of no return. A\/t least
White is only wasting electrons in continuing and not postage stamps as in
"old fashioned" correspondence chess.} Nh6+ 24. Kh5 (24. Kh4 Bf3 {
and f5 mates next move.}) 24... Bf3+ 25. Kxh6 (25. Kh4 Nf5# ) 25... Bf8+ 26.
Kxh7 Be4+ 27. Kg8 Ke7 ({After} 27... Ke7 {
White has no usefull move for example if} 28. Qd2 {then} Bh6# ) 0-1