So the value of the move 18...h5 must be seriously considered before we make our move
Ozturk-Grossmann, corr., 2004 (CP.2004.P.00039 1.10.2004) went:
18. h4 h5 19. g5 Nh7 20. Qd3 Rc8 21.Nb3 Be6 22.Bd4 Bxc4 23.Qc3 Be2 etc. (so Stocek was not really the first to play 17...Qc7 ....)
These are the only games in my database after 17...Qc7 18. h4
So the va ...[text shortened]... he first to play 17...Qc7 ....)
These are the only games in my database after 17...Qc7 18. h4
Tony likes it and I like it too, but the White is not forced to play 20.Kc1; a simple Rd2 over there and the control of the open file is enough for the White.
But I vote 18. ...h5 too; I like the position of the Black anyway, although this funny Dragon is powerless compared to the superb Scheveningen.
Did anybody noticed that leggedy beastie robbie? Lus time I saw im woosie ee whas dyinoe flu😵
People voting so quickly is dangerous and likely to lose the game for us.
We need to talk it through. If Rc8, does h5 by white not look dangerous?
With Rc8 we get a hold on the c file and this pressure is directed towards a potentially weak c2 pawn. Though for now this is well protected. Rc8 h5 and then white can open up the h file which though I can see no immediate danger, it is a weakness. So we have to decide, are there other moves which are worth the danger of an h-file attack and all the pressure that may follow it?
I am swaying towards h5, where we threaten the g pawn and therefore pretty much forced is gxh5 Nxh5.
White then has many options. Either rook to g1 look attractive, though really i have no idea what we would expect.
I see the g6 pawn as weak following h5, as a gxh5 Nxh5 and then the knight is the only thing blocking an h-pawn advance which i feel is white's main threat - even if it is not immediate i feel this is white's aim.
Notable white weaknesses here would be;
Open b file onto the king
Knight pin onto the queen with g7 bishop
And if the d-rook moves it may be worth noting the backward f3 pawn as playing f4? would los eout to Nxf4! Bxf4 Qb6+ and the knight falls. In fact.. an f-pawn advance now would lose to Ng3. Just thinking out loud here, but it is worth having these sorts of thing in mind when making a plan.
I'm not sold on the credibility of the exchange sac earlier, but it is certainly fun.
Originally posted by black beetle Tony likes it and I like it too, but the White is not forced to play 20.Kc1; a simple Rd2 over there and the control of the open file is enough for the White.
But I vote 18. ...h5 too; I like the position of the Black anyway, although this funny Dragon is powerless compared to the superb Scheveningen.
Did anybody noticed that leggedy beastie robbie? Lus time I saw im woosie ee whas dyinoe flu😵
thank you for your concern beetle dude, sadly i did not die but find myself recovering, perhaps a little delusional but none the worse.
yes either way i think we got to try to stop white opening the h file, so either way as in the Toni benoni variation 18...h5 19. g5 Nh7 or as in the smith/hagarovah game 18...h5 19. gxh5 Nxh5 is good enough
Originally posted by robbie carrobie thank you for your concern beetle dude, sadly i did not die but find myself recovering, perhaps a little delusional but none the worse.
yes either way i think we got to try to stop white opening the h file, so either way as in the Toni benoni variation 18...h5 19. g5 Nh7 or as in the smith/hagarovah game 18...h5 19. gxh5 Nxh5 is good enough
18...h5 and the dragon lives!
"Sadly", why "sadly"??
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