Originally posted by Dragon FireHow is it different? If you know you'll be going on a vacation for a week or two, why not set up a long time bank? You can set them up to 28 days, ya know.
Different situation. He had no timebank and could not play at weekends so should not have set up a game that way.
But in correspondence chess we all have vacations from time to time and that should be respected.
A player has nobody but himself to blame for getting timed out.
We should be able to somehow derecommend posts, so that someone who posts something stupid can get recs taken away, or maybe start a whole new subject for it. This post is stupid. If people want to take the TO's it's well within their rights. I don't if they have a flag up, but people certainly can, and you shouldn't get angry. It's like walking away from an OTB game for 3 hours to go get lunch, and asking people not to flag you. If you know you are going on vactation:
1. Demand more timebank, so that you can survive past vacation and not have to worry.
2. Move quickly so that you keep as much of your timebank as possible.
3. Stop freaking out about losing games to TO's. This is internet chess. If you freak out and start trashing people in the forums because they did something they were allowed to do, what happens when something really bad actually happens to you!?
Maybe I should start a thread about all the people who act discourteous in the forums, and trash other players. If you don't like being timed out while on vacation, then don't play people that do, but don't trash them in the forums. Show some respect dude.
TO wins only give you half the credit as a resignation or CM doesnt it?
I wont take a TO anymore if I am winning a game simply because of that, but I have taken TOs before in questionable positions and not felt bad about it.
I did until I got TOed in a relatively even game when I was 20 minutes late getting back from my gf's. Since then I figure forget it, I'll click a skull without worry.
I dont particularly agree with TOing people when you are playing an even game in its nascent stages, but I'm not one to bitch about ppl doing what is well within their rights if their opponent cant make their move obligations.
Game 2020655
Add me to your list.
I've just claimed this win. My opponent has had his vacation flag up for about 3 weeks now, but has been online within the last 4 days.
If he can't be bothered to put a message up saying when he'll be back, or indeed if he will attempt to make moves whilst his vacation flag is set, but cannot be bothered to make a move against me, then i'll time him out everyday of the week.
Oh, and i got 2 points for my clan in the bargain too.
Personally, I think the TO system needs a little over haul - a few extra lines of coding, to make things a little more fair.
I.e
A vs. B - player A offers a draw on his move, player B does not move for a while and a skull appears - I think that, clicking the skull (in such a situation) claims a draw and not a win.
and also.
when there is insufient material. Lone Kings, B+K vs K / (N+)N+K vs K, etc, etc. TO's should automatically declare a draw and not win - (seeing as such positions are in fact drawn)
anyway,
If your primary objective is to get a high rating then skull away, if on the other hand, you are here to learn then you should use them more discriminantly.
[NOWADAYS] I only TO when I am clearly winning....I tend to be more patient in equal positions.
everyone is approaching this as a discussion of TO a person or not, the issue here is NOT skulls. Its vacation flags, they have to mean something even if RHP prefers the honor system. I think that not respecting a vacation flag is an abuse of the honor system and should be responded to as such. Given the circumstances (flag and notification of return date.) I don't understand why everyone is defending such behavior.
On a seperate note, not resigning down significant material is a violation of chess etiquette, while it might offend me personally it is not a big deal. Dragging out a game is much worse particularly against a non-subscriber whose games are limited. Yet even though most of you agree with me you defend a persons right to behave as they wish.
Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't make it acceptable.
If you aren't interested in starting a list or banning a person or boycotting them thats fine but don't defend them just because they are within the enforced rules.
I would suggest as an alternative a feedback system open to subs and non-subs that allows them to rate an opponent.This would make those who have been wronged have some meaningful recourse and allow the rest of you to completely ignore them.
Vacation flags are a bit of a gray area, I guess.
I am really tired of all this bickering and soul-searching about timeout ethics, and I think the best solution is to take it out of players' hands entirely. I suggest this system:
1. Timeout is automatic when time expires, always.
2.Every player is allotted two or three weeks of "vacation time" per year. You can put your vacation flag up for any reason, and while your vacation flag is up, your vacation timebank will deplete, but you cannot be timed out in any of your games. The vacation flag would not apply in tournaments or sieges. Once you use up your yearly vacation time you are out of luck.
Thoughts?
Originally posted by jgvaccaroAgreed.
Thoughts?
I want a 3rd rule as well that makes things som easier.
3. When you take vacation with a coming back-time - during your vacancy you are totally excluded from RHP, and your opponent moves are not to be seen by you or anyone else, like a sealed envelope. On the other hand the clock are freezed until you're started again in every game.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by FabianFnasI see the point here--but I don't think people should have to specify a return date. How about just making it so that you cannot view your games while your vacation flag is up?
3. When you take vacation with a coming back-time - during your vacancy you are totally excluded from RHP, and your opponent moves are not to be seen by you or anyone else, like a sealed envelope[/b]
Seriously, I know some people like to have the option of ignoring timeouts, but I think it mainly leads to confusion and bad feelings, and I think it's absurd that people have to put their "timeout policy" in their profiles. I think it would improve things to make it uniform and automatic.
(Timeouts could remain optional in non-rated games.)
I would have thought that the rules and etiquette of chess are akin to the rules and (the once) gentlemanly conduct of cricket. Taking a time-out, like taking a 'mankad' runout is within the rules, but not necessarily sporting.
As for me I subscribe the the late Fred Truman's definition of a gentleman as someone "who gets out of the bath to take a piss".