Originally posted by millermanI agree in such circumstances but if he has put his vacation flag up, posted a message when he will be back, had the courtesy to E-mail you, has not moved at all for the period and moves within a few hours of returning surely allowing the game to be completed is the fair thing to do.
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I've just claimed this win. My opponent has had his vacation flag up for about 3 weeks now, but has been online within the last 4 days.
If he can't be bothered to put a message up saying when he'll be back, or indeed if he will attempt to make moves whilst his vacation flag is set, but cannot be bothered to m ...[text shortened]... time him out everyday of the week.
Oh, and i got 2 points for my clan in the bargain too.
After all, aren't we here to play chess!
Originally posted by ShinidokiHear! Hear!
Personally, I think the TO system needs a little over haul - a few extra lines of coding, to make things a little more fair.
I.e
A vs. B - player A offers a draw on his move, player B does not move for a while and a skull appears - I think that, clicking the skull (in such a situation) claims a draw and not a win.
and also.
when there is insuf ...[text shortened]... [NOWADAYS] I only TO when I am clearly winning....I tend to be more patient in equal positions.
The obbest is surely to play chess not get ratings up by foul means. It will only drop to the correct level when you start getting slaughtered.
Originally posted by jgvaccaroI think this is an excellant idea!
Vacation flags are a bit of a gray area, I guess.
I am really tired of all this bickering and soul-searching about timeout ethics, and I think the best solution is to take it out of players' hands entirely. I suggest this system:
1. Timeout is automatic when time expires, always.
2.Every player is allotted two or three weeks of "vacation time" pe ...[text shortened]... ments or sieges. Once you use up your yearly vacation time you are out of luck.
Thoughts?
Originally posted by FabianFnasAnother excellant idea. This thread is at last getting constructive.
Agreed.
I want a 3rd rule as well that makes things som easier.
3. When you take vacation with a coming back-time - during your vacancy you are totally excluded from RHP, and your opponent moves are not to be seen by you or anyone else, like a sealed envelope. On the other hand the clock are freezed until you're started again in every game.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by RagnorakMaybe a wee bit negative but a healthy debate can often produce the most unexpected results from humble beginnings and I feel a good few ideas have now come up here!
It didn't seem that you were after positive constructive comments, considering your original post was completely negative.
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I hope you agree!🙂
It doesn't make sense to have a system where you choose whether to "timeout" your opponent. I'd like a system where you get so many days to move (or not) then you get a message: you won on time, or you lost on time. If you were in the hospital for appendicitis and didn't have a computer in the operating room, that's pure luck. You lose the game(s) and continue to play hoping you don't have another time problem. If you're sick or have a relative whose sick, a chessgame should be the last thing you should worry about. If you're going on vacation, that's better than playing a game of chess on the internet. I think the phrase "tempest in a teacup" comes to mind or "hurricane in a wash basin" or "whirlpool in a toilet bowl." It all comes down to: there's always another game.
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Originally posted by Dragon FireNothing really new has come up here. I guess that's the nature of online forums...
Maybe a wee bit negative but a healthy debate can often produce the most unexpected results from humble beginnings and I feel a good few ideas have now come up here!
Note the dates: Thread 13280 written in response to some people giving out about TOs while on vacation.
and
Thread 21587
No need for negative black lists to produce those ideas.
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If you have a couple of weeks vacation time, play games with a 14 day timebank. The tools are in place already to accomodate lifestyle issues such as this. If you get ill and are unable to move in the alotted time, you can be timed out. Tough luck. The same would happen if you died. Is your opponent expected to wait for you to be resurrected and make another move. Personal problems have nothing to do with the game. Pay attention to the time controls in the games that you choose to play, and quit whining about time-out losses.
Originally posted by Dragon FireHow about just avoiding playing games with time controls you can't comply with?
The following players claim timeouts in totally lost positions when their opponent is on vacation even if their vacation flag is set and they have been E-mailed with the return date.
I consider this to be unsporting behaviour and suggest we all avoid such players.
... cordeiro2
... Surf Dude
Please add other players we should avoid!
Originally posted by Dragon FireJust a message on his profile would have sufficed. He's made moves whilst his vacation flag has been set, which has been on for about 3 weeks.
I agree in such circumstances but if he has put his vacation flag up, posted a message when he will be back, had the courtesy to E-mail you, has not moved at all for the period and moves within a few hours of returning surely allowing the game to be completed is the fair thing to do.
After all, aren't we here to play chess!
The game started around May time, so he's had plenty of time to finish the game as i'm sure every time he logged on it would have showm it was his turn to move.
No excuse's and no need for me to feel guilty about it in the slightest.
Originally posted by Dragon FireIt would be prudent for you to place me on that list as well. My T/O policy is/was probably the most debated for some time. My profile says it all.
The following players claim timeouts in totally lost positions when their opponent is on vacation even if their vacation flag is set and they have been E-mailed with the return date.
I consider this to be unsporting behaviour and suggest we all avoid such players.
... cordeiro2
... Surf Dude
Please add other players we should avoid!
Play hard or go home.
skeeter
Originally posted by skeeterYou don't need to time people out. Your ratings good enough to indicate you should be able to win by fair means.
It would be prudent for you to place me on that list as well. My T/O policy is/was probably the most debated for some time. My profile says it all.
Play hard or go home.
skeeter
Timing someone out on vacation when they have given a return date is hardly a satisfying way of winning.
I have never timed anyone out (nor for that matter have I ever been timed out)
but I do not think it fair to claim a time out win when you are a q & R down in a totally lost position. It is Sportsmanship to resign and I would be very surprised if you did not resign such a position.