@sonhouse saidYou refuse to answer a question because of your opinion of me. I’m not asking you about a creator; I’m asking about informational instructions, and you can not bring yourself to respond without trying to change the subject to religion or your low opinion of me.
Because you are dead set against even the possibility of random processes ending in life. You just go round and round, there HAS to be a creator.
Not interested in that kind of 'debate'.
@KellyJay saidYou are mincing words, creator, instruction list, all pointing to your idea goddidit.
You refuse to answer a question because of your opinion of me. I’m not asking you about a creator; I’m asking about informational instructions, and you can not bring yourself to respond without trying to change the subject to religion or your low opinion of me.
Your bottom line.
@sonhouse saidAnd your words point to? Do you think the words information and instructions are words that point to God? Does that mean you acknowledge that reality points to God, is that why you do not, or can not give another explanation?
You are mincing words, creator, instruction list, all pointing to your idea goddidit.
Your bottom line.
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@KellyJay saidThe thing with me is I DON'T know what is going on in life origins. You on the other hand have no such problem because you KNOW how things started, or you have
And your words point to? Do you think the words information and instructions are words that point to God? Does that mean you acknowledge that reality points to God, is that why you do not, or can not give another explanation?
'faith' you know how it all started.
I NEVER said I knew how it happened, I THINK life came from mud but there are other ways it could happen sans a deity like the hydrovents running a couple hundred degrees C giving the energy to evolve life and other theories.
They are THEORIES and only further science will have any hope of solving.
Unless your lord wants to come down and spoil the plot.
The thing I dislike about your posts is your apparent arrogance, treating us and me in particular BECAUSE I say I am NOT a PHd you continue to plug away, trying to get me to fall over and play dead and just admit Goddidit and get it over with.
GOD ain't coming down to tell all so it is in FACT up to science to suss it all out.
@sonhouse saidWhat is reasonable to be justified requires reasons. If an event occurs and there are several possible causes, each would need to be evaluated to see which lines up with the evidence. It can be very difficult if the evidence does not clearly point us in one direction, the more possible causes we see the greater the uncertainty.
The thing with me is I DON'T know what is going on in life origins. You on the other hand have no such problem because you KNOW how things started, or you have
'faith' you know how it all started.
I NEVER said I knew how it happened, I THINK life came from mud but there are other ways it could happen sans a deity like the hydrovents running a couple hundred degrees C giv ...[text shortened]... it over with.
GOD ain't coming down to tell all so it is in FACT up to science to suss it all out.
That is not the issue with informational instructions we only have one source, unless you can show otherwise.
@KellyJay saidyou keep saying I should be able to solve the riddle of life origin and I keep telling you I am not a Phd. My work is on ion implanters, sputtering tools, electron microscopes, understanding how they fail and getting them running when they fail.
What is reasonable to be justified requires reasons. If an event occurs and there are several possible causes, each would need to be evaluated to see which lines up with the evidence. It can be very difficult if the evidence does not clearly point us in one direction, the more possible causes we see the greater the uncertainty.
That is not the issue with informational instructions we only have one source, unless you can show otherwise.
You go, SEE, you know nothing therefore MY faith is 100% more powerful.
@sonhouse saidYou have a brain, you trouble shoot issues, so you know about seeking root causes PhD not required.
you keep saying I should be able to solve the riddle of life origin and I keep telling you I am not a Phd. My work is on ion implanters, sputtering tools, electron microscopes, understanding how they fail and getting them running when they fail.
You go, SEE, you know nothing therefore MY faith is 100% more powerful.
@KellyJay saidSo tell me how to troubleshoot genetic data or try new Miller experiments.
You have a brain, you trouble shoot issues, so you know about seeking root causes PhD not required.
You seriously think I am going to do that? Are YOU doing Miller experiments?
There are literally two ways to look at it. Goddidit and wait for science to catch up and tell it like it REALLY is. Probably not THIS century however.
@sonhouse saidYou have to find a single cause that produces informational instructions, if the choices are but one, you don’t need a PhD to pick the right one.
So tell me how to troubleshoot genetic data or try new Miller experiments.
You seriously think I am going to do that? Are YOU doing Miller experiments?
There are literally two ways to look at it. Goddidit and wait for science to catch up and tell it like it REALLY is. Probably not THIS century however.
@KellyJay saidSINGLE cause. When life forms evolved many times over, more complex, even LESS complex but trillions of experiments going on 24/7 for MILLIONS of years.
You have to find a single cause that produces informational instructions, if the choices are but one, you don’t need a PhD to pick the right one.
You REFUSE to even ACKNOWLEDGE that FACT.
Using the JAMES WEBB scope they just found organic compounds in the water squirted off Enceladus. The jets formerly had been measured to just up a few hundred miles into space but Webb showed more like 6000 miles of water squirting up from the surface, which means there is a LOT of force shooting out that water and organics are KNOWN to be in the juice squirting off enceladus.
I think a probe running through that jet might find real life also, news at 11. And OF COURSE you would totally deny there could EVER be ANY KIND of life on that moon.
https://science.nasa.gov/missions/webb/webb-maps-surprisingly-large-plume-jetting-from-saturns-moon-enceladus/
@sonhouse saidYou only need to show me one single cause that can produce information that drives life’s processes, just one. I don’t care how much time you need. Still, it must produce information that can create something systematically and functionally complex, which will build replication into itself without goals, notions of success, or failure. Show me chaos producing systematically functionally complex systems in any field at any time, this is what you are saying happens under a rock, or in a pond, by chance and necessity. Remove religion from your thoughts and think about the pros and cons of this. Is it possible?
SINGLE cause. When life forms evolved many times over, more complex, even LESS complex but trillions of experiments going on 24/7 for MILLIONS of years.
You REFUSE to even ACKNOWLEDGE that FACT.
Using the JAMES WEBB scope they just found organic compounds in the water squirted off Enceladus. The jets formerly had been measured to just up a few hundred miles into space but ...[text shortened]... ience.nasa.gov/missions/webb/webb-maps-surprisingly-large-plume-jetting-from-saturns-moon-enceladus/
@KellyJay saidOf course it is possible, search for origins and don't need religion.
You only need to show me one single cause that can produce information that drives life’s processes, just one. I don’t care how much time you need. Still, it must produce information that can create something systematically and functionally complex, which will build replication into itself without goals, notions of success, or failure. Show me chaos producing systematicall ...[text shortened]... ity. Remove religion from your thoughts and think about the pros and cons of this. Is it possible?
@sonhouse saidI am asking for one example for what I am talking about, information directing complex system spring up from undirected processes. Just one and you are not limited to biology if you can find one.
Of course it is possible, search for origins and don't need religion.
@KellyJay saidyour ultimate goal is to prove Goddidit.
I am asking for one example for what I am talking about, information directing complex system spring up from undirected processes. Just one and you are not limited to biology if you can find one.
@sonhouse saidI am trying to get an answer to a question you are trying to avoid answering because of what you are worried it may show. What does it matter my motivation? Would the questions answer be different if an Atheist asked it?
your ultimate goal is to prove Goddidit.