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Evolution of the human eye.

Evolution of the human eye.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
Well, Eladar just said 'I didn't say it was either', which sounds like he agrees with you that creation is not science. That we can agree on, unless KJ feels otherwise.
You want me to once again state my position I have maintained here
for years that creation is a matter of faith not science?
Kelly

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Originally posted by Eladar
Only from your flawed point of view. Your own imperfection and misunderstanding of the nature of our existance isn't something you are willing to question.

If you question your own understanding of reality, then you must question what you believe to be important.

I'm well aware of that there are a bounty of imperfections in my person, and I even know what
a good number of them are.

That doesn't change the fact that under your view, God is either an incompetent or unintelligent
designer. I don't know about you, but if it could be concluded that I was made in the image of
incompetence or 'unintelligence,' I'd try to explain it better than 'It doesn't matter.'

Or, perhaps you like the idea of being created in that mediocre image. I can't say for sure.

Nemesio

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Originally posted by Eladar
Evading an arrow to live a few moments longer doesn't matter.
Hmm. Life doesn't matter, huh? This is not a very well-reasoned argument.

Why not have bigger blind spots if it's so unimportant? Or no eyes at all? Why not just be
sentient plants?

If it isn't the Creator's goal to have His Creation live as long as reasonably possible, then why
bother giving us lifespans at all?

Nemesio

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This is not a very well-reasoned argument

How well reasoned an arguement is depends on how much you agree with it. In other words, I see that you disagree with me.

***I told you I've been doing this for years***

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Originally posted by Eladar
How well reasoned an arguement is depends on how much you agree with it. In other words, I see that you disagree with me.

***I told you I've been doing this for years***[/b]
No, a well-reasoned argument is one which rests upon sound premises and has a conclusion that
stems logically from them.

I disagree with many well-reasoned arguments, though my disagreement is because I believe
I have equally- or better-reasoned arguments to rebut them.

Frankly, I would guess that few believe that you've been doing this for years. I'd wager that
they just think you're too intellectually lazy to engage in discourse.

And, yes, I do disagree with your contention that life doesn't matter.

Nemesio

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Anyone who thinks that because the human eye has a blind spot that the designer of such an eye must not be intellegent is an idiot. I could care less what an idiot thinks.

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Originally posted by Eladar
Anyone who thinks that because the human eye has a blind spot that the designer of such an eye must not be intellegent is an idiot. I could care less what an idiot thinks.
Nothing circular in THAT set of 'reasoning'......

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You mean that I don't care what idiots think? Yes, pretty circular, but still a good policy as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally posted by Eladar
You mean that I don't care what idiots think? Yes, pretty circular, but still a good policy as far as I'm concerned.
BTW, nice win against Kelly Jay. It looks to me like you need to do a tourny.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
BTW, nice win against Kelly Jay. It looks to me like you need to do a tourny.
I agree it was well done.
Kelly

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Originally posted by Eladar
[b]This is not a very well-reasoned argument

How well reasoned an arguement is depends on how much you agree with it. In other words, I see that you disagree with me.

***I told you I've been doing this for years***[/b]
That's completely untrue. The reasoning of an argument can be sound or unsound regardless of whether it's true or not. A false argument can be perfectly logical if it's based on false premises. That's the sort of thinking that led to ID and that silly "we can't know anything, it's all faith, believe what you feel like, evidence doesn't matter".

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Originally posted by Eladar
Anyone who thinks that because the human eye has a blind spot that the designer of such an eye must not be intellegent is an idiot. I could care less what an idiot thinks.
It means that the designer, if such exists, made an imperfect design.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
BTW, nice win against Kelly Jay. It looks to me like you need to do a tourny.
Sometimes I play well, other times not so well. He just blundered and I was able to take advantage of it. I have a feeling Kelly hasn't seen the Barry Attack very often.

I'll give a tournament a try. Eventually I want to be able to beat my cousin Paul Butler. If you know much about finding planets in other solar systems, you may have heard about him.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
That's completely untrue. The reasoning of an argument can be sound or unsound regardless of whether it's true or not. A false argument can be perfectly logical if it's based on false premises. That's the sort of thinking that led to ID and that silly "we can't know anything, it's all faith, believe what you feel like, evidence doesn't matter".
No one ever said evidence does not matter, what has been said about
what we know is that it is subject to change at all time with the intro
of new information so therefore don't assume what you think is right
always is. You cast this stuff off in the poorest light possible to make
your beliefs about what occurred in the past the most favorable.
Kelly

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
It means that the designer, if such exists, made an imperfect design.
Again, imperfect design, you believe the work as a whole the entire
human body lasting over time is imperfect due to a single small
blind spot that may or may not have a purpose you do not understand
as of yet.
Kelly