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Originally posted by KellyJayBy that argument it's impossible to tell anything about whether something was designed or not. If you can't tell whether something is perfect or impefect, how can you tell if it's even designed or not? "I can just TELL that it's designed"? Well, then, I can just TELL that it's imperfect.
Again, imperfect design, you believe the work as a whole the entire
human body lasting over time is imperfect due to a single small
blind spot that may or may not have a purpose you do not understand
as of yet.
Kelly
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungKJ, read the enire thread again, and you will see that you're going in circles. Haven't you learnt anything?
By that argument it's impossible to tell anything about whether something was designed or not. If you can't tell whether something is perfect or impefect, how can you tell if it's even designed or not? "I can just TELL that it's designed"? Well, then, I can just TELL that it's imperfect.
Originally posted by NemesioBased on the bible we are supposed to learn what we can in this life so that we can do greater works once we are in the Kingdom of God.
Hmm. Life doesn't matter, huh? This is not a very well-reasoned argument.
Why not have bigger blind spots if it's so unimportant? Or no eyes at all? Why not just be
sentient plants?
If it isn't the Creator's goal to have His Creation live as long as reasonably possible, then why
bother giving us lifespans at all?
Nemesio
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Originally posted by EladarYet again misreading my motivations or intentions or beliefs. Just because we are Atheist doesn't mean we are automatically right. If JC and the boys come down tomorrow and start kicking butt, I will be right there listening.
I think I accurately described your point of view.
So far, all I get is a certain sense of scam from christianity and islam, both of which I say are the worlds deadliest religions and have no place in civilized society. If christians and muslims welcomed newomers and such without armies killing people in foreign wars designed to further the faith, I would have respect for them both, but you know full well what they are really capable of.
Originally posted by EladarThe thing is, neither you or anyone else has any idea what happens to a person after death. You will never know. You THINK you will know because of your programming. You should really live your life in the here and now and forget all that striving for afterlife, it confounds your concepts of the here and now and leads to a false sense of security, which as we can see, leads to idiots who think they will find bliss in some heaven and go off to their death in wars thinking their god will protect them. Can't you see how negative that is?
[b]If JC and the boys come down tomorrow and start kicking butt, I will be right there listening.
Eventually you'll get to meet God. But until that time, you will not believe that the Bible has any authority.[/b]
Originally posted by EladarThe bible has no authority here. None whatsoever.
[b]If JC and the boys come down tomorrow and start kicking butt, I will be right there listening.
Eventually you'll get to meet God. But until that time, you will not believe that the Bible has any authority.[/b]
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSo your view is if there is a flaw in your opinion it cannot have been
By that argument it's impossible to tell anything about whether something was designed or not. If you can't tell whether something is perfect or impefect, how can you tell if it's even designed or not? "I can just TELL that it's designed"? Well, then, I can just TELL that it's imperfect.
designed? As I have pointed out if evolution is really a running down
or wouldn't flaws creap in and give us things like flaws?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo your main thesis here is evolution exists but only to make whatever lifeform you are talking about, worse? So the human race as it existed 1000 years ago was somehow superior to the human race as a whole today? And by extension, the human race as is exists to day is superior to the human race that exists 1000 years from now? Is that the gist of your proposal?
So your view is if there is a flaw in your opinion it cannot have been
designed? As I have pointed out if evolution is really a running down
or wouldn't flaws creap in and give us things like flaws?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayHave you read my hypothesis, freely given, that you could use to verify this claim?
So your view is if there is a flaw in your opinion it cannot have been
designed? As I have pointed out if evolution is really a running down
or wouldn't flaws creap in and give us things like flaws?
Kelly
If evolution really is a running down, you should be able to prove (probably using molecular biology or genetics techniques) that the "irreducibly complex" systems like the bacterial flagellum came *before* what biologists now consider to be their precursors like the type 3 secretory system. It's really just that simple.
You do that, and you'll have made a serious contribution to science and have real evidence that every biological system started in a more perfect state, and degraded to a less perfect one.
Originally posted by EladarThis is the Science Forum. You must base all answers on observations from nature. If you want to approach nature for a sense of beauty or employ poetic imagery, I would hope you would take it to the Culture Forum. if you want to bring up anything relating to God or spirituality, go to the Religion Forum.
You can't use the Bible to try to explain the Christian perspective. You must base all answers on the perspective of the atheist. After all, the atheistic view is the only true view.
If I went to the Culture Forum and began discussing the derivation of Special Relativity, or if I went to the Religion Forum and posted about the latest discoveries about how hurricanes affect the climate, well, I wouldn't. That is rude.
But hey, if you're saved, you don't have to be a good person, right?