Originally posted by FabianFnasA) No, the very purpose of the vacation system is to provide "protection from timeouts" at planned stages for upto 36 days throughout the year.
The very purpous of a vacation system is to take a vacation and not make a single move during this vacation.
B) Why can't players on holidays relax in any way they see fit while on vacation?
You might want to read Russ' posts in this thread, especially the first one on this page...http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=63417&page=2
as you seem to be taking "vacation system" a little too literally.
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Originally posted by tjmartiIf you have previously been on vacation, you may not have timebank remaining.
I am still searching for a satisfactory explanation about why there is not a minimum vacation period of say 3 days... so vacation could only be used 12 times per year. If you go away at the weekend, keep a timebank not yr vacation....
If I'm playing in a 1/0 tournament, and know that I can't move tomorrow, then why shouldn't I be able to protect myself from TO as the system was intended.
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Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveSo what you're saying is that you want more free games, so that you can start another game while your opponent is on holiday, so that you don't "get bored and resign".
Player A is two moves away from being checkmated - he decides to go into vacation mode and put off the inevitable for say 14 days. Hoping player B will get bored and resign. More likely if player B is a "freeloader".
Is that how it was meant to be used?
Gotcha.
You should have said so in the beginning, in which case I would have recommended that you subscribe because when you have unlimited games, you're not going to get "bored and resign" if a beaten opponent doesn't move for 2 weeks.
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Originally posted by RagnorakThen I agree totally with you.
A) No, the very purpose of the vacation system is to provide "protection from timeouts" at planned stages for upto 36 days throughout the year.
B) Why can't players on holidays relax in any way they see fit while on vacation?
You might want to read Russ' posts in this thread, especially the first one on this page...http://www.timeforchess.com/board/show ...[text shortened]... adid=63417&page=2
as you seem to be taking "vacation system" a little too literally.
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The concept of 'Sealed moves' satisfies (A): You can't be timed out during your vacation, and you don't know what the opponent has moved during your vacation.
The concept of 'Sealed moves' satisfies (B) as well: No one has to worry about moves being made during his vacation.
Originally posted by FabianFnasAgain, why isn't someone able to move on vacation as I often do in the evening if I have a spare bit of time? I'm on vacation, I don't have a LOT of time to play chess... but once in a while I do get some time to think through a game or 2 over a beer before bed.
Then I agree totally with you.
The concept of 'Sealed moves' satisfies (A): You can't be timed out during your vacation, and you don't know what the opponent has moved during your vacation.
The concept of 'Sealed moves' satisfies (B) as well: No one has to worry about moves being made during his vacation.
Why can't I do that? It's my vacation, and I'll spend it any way I see fit.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitBut you can!
Again, why isn't someone able to move on vacation as I often do in the evening if I have a spare bit of time? I'm on vacation, I don't have a LOT of time to play chess... but once in a while I do get some time to think through a game or 2 over a beer before bed.
Why can't I do that? It's my vacation, and I'll spend it any way I see fit.
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Just interupt you vacation for a minute and the sealed moves are unsealed. Do your moves and go back to vacation again and enjoy your beer again!
It's your vacation!
Just some facts:
i have had several games "frozen" for weeks on a move and get mated position.
I have had more games with an outcome that could only be called certain wins (overwhelming material and positional superiority) that were dragged out months because of the time bank and vacation days set up.
I am not concerned about how the time bank and vacation delays affect me, personally.
This thread is ALL about how these time delays affect tournaments, clan matches and leagues.
We cannot hear from those who have left RHP for other chess platforms BECAUSE THEY ARE GONE!
Does anyone care to suggest that no one is leaving RHP because of unduly slow play and manipulations? (This was rhetorical, please do not respond to this last statement.)
Originally posted by FabianFnasCan we shut off and turn vacations back on the way it is now? What is the reasoning behind wanting a user to need to shut off and turn it back on? You want that clock to be ticking a few extra minutes?
But you can!
Just interupt you vacation for a minute and the sealed moves are unsealed. Do your moves and go back to vacation again and enjoy your beer again!
It's your vacation!
Another point about the sealed moves is this. You are now giving the vacationer more time on their clock! Your move is sealed, clock stops... and the guy now has clock time that may have expired.
I like the idea of sealed moves, don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering why you like best about them. What will they solve?
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Originally posted by coquettePerhaps you can explain how sealed moves are going to speed anything up.
Just some facts:
i have had several games "frozen" for weeks on a move and get mated position.
I have had more games with an outcome that could only be called certain wins (overwhelming material and positional superiority) that were dragged out months because of the time bank and vacation days set up.
I am not concerned about how the time bank and ...[text shortened]... w play and manipulations? (This was rhetorical, please do not respond to this last statement.)
Also, as I already said people have been abusing lost positions long before vacation system was set up, and long after.
Why would you play a 7/14 day game if you are not willing to wait 7 days for each move and an extra 14 days? I think you need to consider your time controls more than rule changes, since your rule has given vacationers more time to use than the existing rules.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitBy turning the vacation flag off you will get all sealed moves delivered. Then you can continue to play your games. When you turn the vacation flag on again, then you don't get your opponents moves. However, the games you have not answered will have the clock ticking until you've made your move.
Can we shut off and turn vacations back on the way it is now? What is the reasoning behind wanting a user to need to shut off and turn it back on? You want that clock to be ticking a few extra minutes?
Another point about the sealed moves is this. You are now giving the vacationer more time on their clock! Your move is sealed, clock stops... and the ...[text shortened]... t get me wrong. I'm just wondering why you like best about them. What will they solve?
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The proposed 'sealed move' vacation system permit you to go on and go off whenever you want. It gives you a certain degree of freedom you have ever had.
Originally posted by FabianFnasEarlier in this thread you said "When I come back from my vacation, I stop the vacation and in that moment all sealed moves from the opponents are un-sealed"
Just interupt you vacation for a minute and the sealed moves are unsealed. Do your moves and go back to vacation again and enjoy your beer again!
Phlabibit was hoping to make only a couple of moves over a beer before bed, and suddenly he might have 20 clocks all ticking again.
Perhaps each move should stay sealed until the player actually gets round to viewing that game??
Originally posted by FabianFnasI still think there needs to be discussed why this is an improvement over the current system. It won't speed up the games, it will only slow them down more.
I suggest the system designers of RHP and the programmers work out the details of the 'sealed moves' vacation system.
I'm happy to know that my vision of the new vacation system of 'selaed moves' has been so vividly discussed, and thank all participants of this discussion.
The only thing I do like about it is someone not getting 30 extra days to sit and think of a move... and the clock stopping. No one wants to get back from vacation and have ALL their clocks ticking with no time left to play the game.
So, the rule will slow things down more... but I like that, since I play very slow.
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Slow play is fine. That's part of accepting the conditions of play. This thread is about having a vacation flag on (preventing a time out loss) while still making moves in lots of games.
I believe that adding 36 days of additional time bank for everyone was not the original intention of creating the vacation rule.
We can simply stop now and agree that everyone gets 36 days of protected time bank each year to be used at their discretion and in any way that they like. This would close the issue.
However, if the intention is to really have a Vacation option, then why not simply make it that - a vacation option? If you are on vacation, your game clock is stopped and you cannot make any moves until you return from vacation. I cannot see the objection, except from those who want to "stop the clock" on games that they will lose and keep playing in games that they think that they can win in order to artificially raise - for a few fleeting moments - their rating.
Again, and this is quite circular, so I do apologize, the "so what" to this is the slowing effect on the hundreds of games that are affected.
If RHP doesn't care about this as a quality, then those who do care will, I presume, find other chess venues that better suits them.
The corrective action is quite simple: you cannot move while you are on vacation. You cannot see moves made by your opponents until you remove your vacation flag.
It's too clear and simple, isn't it?