16 Dec 10
Originally posted by Conrau Kwithin the framework of my understanding there is indeed certain moral entitlements which god possesses over mankind on that very basis that he, be creator has sovereignty over his creation. (Paul or is it Jeremiah, maybe even both, mentions this idea in the illustration of how the potter has latitude by virtue of being the former of the clay). Taking this idea little further, it becomes apparent that only God has the right of life and death, for no human, can lay claim to being the originator of life, thus life does not belong to them, to take. In the context of whether it is morally right to execute another for an act condemned in scripture, it cannot be the case, for such a person is then, putting themselves in the position of God, an act for which they are neither qualified for, not entitled to. It is an act of extreme self righteousness and presumptuousness for to do so. Thus while the act may stand condemned, the person is accountable for their actions only to God.
I had meant to reply to this earlier. I think there is an issue here in comparing the actions of God with those of man. I suspect many Christians would concede God certain moral entitlements over mankind. God as creator may have a just claim to the life of a human being and therefore can morally terminate a life. So simply because it is right for God to kil ...[text shortened]... on-biblical grounds would not be guilty of the inconsistencies that bishop Robinson described.
16 Dec 10
I must say something at this stage of homosexuality.
Vedanta Sutra instructs us to refrain from illicit sex along with meat eating intoxication and gambling.
One can be married and engage in illicit sex, or one may have a girl friend and engage in illicit sex also, so homosexuality is just another form of illicit sex and is also classified as a perversion.
Never the less, all the conditioned souls in this world are engaging without restraint in many unauthorized activities, in their attempt to lord it over the material energy, without concern for their spiritual welfare. (violent, corrupt and cheating activities)
When one decides to engage in the spiritual life, it is necessary to refrain from many activities, so if one is a practicing homosexuality, then they would have to cease their sexual activities, just like a man would have to cease his sexual activities with his female partner as well, to be classified as being on the spiritual path.
The mentioning of the death penalty and stoning for homosexuality is absurd.
There are many activities far worse than homosexuality, and it should not be put in the serious category.
The homosexual urge is a characteristic beginning at birth, and has something to do with the karma.
The real problem is that people do not know what is good for them, and must cease many activities, and engage in the spiritual life to make their life successful.
16 Dec 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasTo eat meat, you become implicated in the killing of the animals, and if you do this then it shows that you do not understand some things about it.
So you say it is not very Vedic to take the meat in the mouth?
Some reasons not to eat meat (or kill animals)
1. its unhealthy
2. one acre of land can feed much more food (grains, vegetables and fruits) than the very same acre used for providing meat.
3. it causes suffering to the animals.
4. it shows disrespect to life.
5. it creates negative karma.
6 it destroys your advancing in the spiritual life
7. its low class.
16 Dec 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuSo when you kill a carrot to eat, then you show respect for life?
To eat meat, you become implicated in the killing of the animals, and if you do this then it shows that you do not understand some things about it.
Some reasons not to eat meat (or kill animals)
1. its unhealthy
2. one acre of land can feed much more food (grains, vegetables and fruits) than the very same acre used for providing meat.
3. it causes ...[text shortened]... creates negative karma.
6 it destroys your advancing in the spiritual life
7. its low class.
How about fish? Prawns? Oysters?
Not to mention billions of bacteria for every glass of youghurt?
16 Dec 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasThe perfect food for man is milk and milk products ,fruits, vegetables and grains,..... but its not as bad to consume fish oysters and prawns because they are not highly sentient life forms, because the consciousness is less developed and the sensory perception is lower.
So when you kill a carrot to eat, then you show respect for life?
How about fish? Prawns? Oysters?
Not to mention billions of bacteria for every glass of youghurt?
But persons on the spiritual path refrain from all non vegetarian food.
Carrots and bacteria are not highly sentient beings.
The only way to create no karma is to engage in the spiritual life, which is our natural life anyway.
17 Dec 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou've hit the nail on the head. Why should someone else care what two consenting adults do? This is the beginnings of fundamentelism...ugh😛!!
That is my question too.
Why sometimes refer to OT, and sometimes say that it's just mosaic law.
I say - express your love to another being in your way. If the other one doesn't object, why should fundamentalists object? Why are they so interested in *how* others conduct their sexual activities? I am not interested how fundamentalists do their activi ...[text shortened]... as nothing to do with christians, this has to do with the disrespect the fundamentalists show.
17 Dec 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasLook man. He's right. There are times we need to kill, but never to satisfy hunger or war, unless you have to fight or are an eskimo...
So when you kill a carrot to eat, then you show respect for life?
How about fish? Prawns? Oysters?
Not to mention billions of bacteria for every glass of youghurt?
17 Dec 10
Originally posted by vishvahetulame ass explanation...
I must say something at this stage of homosexuality.
Vedanta Sutra instructs us to refrain from illicit sex along with meat eating intoxication and gambling.
One can be married and engage in illicit sex, or one may have a girl friend and engage in illicit sex also, so homosexuality is just another form of illicit sex and is also classified as a perv ...[text shortened]... and must cease many activities, and engage in the spiritual life to make their life successful.
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17 Dec 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuThe homosexual urge is a characteristic beginning at birth, and has something to do with the karma.
I must say something at this stage of homosexuality.
Vedanta Sutra instructs us to refrain from illicit sex along with meat eating intoxication and gambling.
One can be married and engage in illicit sex, or one may have a girl friend and engage in illicit sex also, so homosexuality is just another form of illicit sex and is also classified as a perv ...[text shortened]... and must cease many activities, and engage in the spiritual life to make their life successful.
Could you develop that point a little?
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17 Dec 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuIf you create bad karma in this life, could you appear as a cabbage in the next life? And if you eat cabbage in this life, aren't you then eating one of your ancestors who created bad karma in their previous life?
The perfect food for man is milk and milk products ,fruits, vegetables and grains,..... but its not as bad to consume fish oysters and prawns because they are not highly sentient life forms, because the consciousness is less developed and the sensory perception is lower.
But persons on the spiritual path refrain from all non vegetarian food.
Carrot ...[text shortened]... nly way to create no karma is to engage in the spiritual life, which is our natural life anyway.
17 Dec 10
Originally posted by dj2beckerThree and a half year absence? Where have you been, sir, and what are your tales?
If you create bad karma in this life, could you appear as a cabbage in the next life? And if you eat cabbage in this life, aren't you then eating one of your ancestors who created bad karma in their previous life?
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17 Dec 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHOh has it been that long! 😉 Oh a lot has happened. Finished a degree and a post-grad. I’m three years into a teaching career, been married for a year and a half, moved countries, etc. I see nothing much has changed. Good to be back...
Three and a half year absence? Where have you been, sir, and what are your tales?
17 Dec 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuBut it contains life when you have to kill the poor carrots in order to eat them. Life is spiritual. Ergo: You destroy spiritual life.
Carrots and bacteria are not highly sentient beings.
A carrot cell is as full of life as any cell of your Gluteus Maximus. A cell of your Gluteus Maximus is not aware of being eaten, your Gluteus Maximus cells are not highly sentient beings either. In this respect, a piece of carrot and a piece of your Gluteus Maximus can be concidered be the same in this respect. Do you mind to eat a piece of your Gluteus Maximus?
Or are your Gluteus Maximus just of higher spiritual life in comparison to a carrot?