Originally posted by StartreaderHere are the facts
Shunning is just one of the Watchtower's foul practices but it's one that shatters families. In my small circle of acquaintance I know several families thus damaged. If that's the case in a very small area then how great must be the worldwide effect. It's an evil organisation, whose members are brainwashed into calling it the Truth but it's one mighty Lie founded upon lies.
Those who were baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.
We do not automatically disfellowship someone who commits a serious sin. If, however, a baptized Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible’s moral code and does not repent, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped. The Bible clearly states: “"Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."”—1 Corinthians 5:13.
What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah’s Witnesses? The religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue.
Disfellowshipped individuals may attend our religious services. If they wish, they may also receive spiritual counsel from congregation elders. The goal is to help each individual once more to qualify to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Disfellowshipped people who reject improper conduct and demonstrate a sincere desire to live by the Bible’s standards are always welcome to become members of the congregation again.
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A Scriptural example of disfellowshipping.
The congregation in Corinth tolerated “such fornication as [was] not even among the nations, that a wife a certain man [had] of his father.” Paul urged the Corinthians to “hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved.” (1 Corinthians 5:1-5)
When disfellowshipped and thus handed over to Satan, the sinner was again part of the Devil’s world. (1 John 5:19) His expulsion removed an evil fleshly element from the congregation and preserved its godly “spirit,” or dominant attitude.—2 Timothy 4:22; 1 Corinthians 5:11-13.
Before a very long time had passed, Paul urged the Christians in Corinth to reinstate the wrongdoer. Why? It was so that they might not be “overreached by Satan,” said the apostle. The sinner had evidently repented and cleaned up his life. (2 Corinthians 2:8-11) If the Corinthians refused to reinstate the repentant man, Satan would overreach them in that they would be as hard and unforgiving as the Devil wanted them to be. Very likely, they soon did “forgive and comfort” the penitent man.—2 Corinthians 2:5-7.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDisfellowshipped individuals may attend our religious services. If they wish, they may also receive spiritual counsel from congregation elders. The goal is to help each individual once more to qualify to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Disfellowshipped people who reject improper conduct and demonstrate a sincere desire to live by the Bible’s standards are always welcome to become members of the congregation again.
Do Jehovah's Witnesses who sexually abuse children always automatically get reported to the police and and get disfellowshipped?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe wont talk of course about the rampant sexual abuse among the clergy of Catholicism which has wrecked the lives of thousands, possibly tens of thousands of young people nor the horrendous torture perpetrated by the Catholic church during inquisitions, no instead we shall listen to your hollow words and rampant hypocrisy.
Do you sense that Startreader defends or endorses any of these things? If not, what is his hypocrisy exactly?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie1. God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you." 1 Corinthinas 5:13
2. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deed. - 2 John 1:10
If someone leaves the JW organisation and becomes a Catholic or an Anglican, for example, are they "wicked" - in the sense that you have used the word above? And does the stuff you quoted about "...do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deed..." apply to these ex-JW Catholics or Anglicans too? Are they "...part of the Devil’s world" that you mentioned above?
Originally posted by FMFhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses'_handling_of_child_sex_abuse
[b]Disfellowshipped individuals may attend our religious services. If they wish, they may also receive spiritual counsel from congregation elders. The goal is to help each individual once more to qualify to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Disfellowshipped people who reject improper conduct and demonstrate a sincere desire to live by the Bible’s standards are alwa ...[text shortened]... lly abuse children always automatically get reported to the police and and get disfellowshipped?
Originally posted by FMFWe do not automatically disfellowship someone who commits a serious sin. If, however, a baptized Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible’s moral code and does not repent, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped. The Bible clearly states: “"Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."”—1 Corinthians 5:13.
Do any members get disfellowshipped for disagreeing with "elders"?
Originally posted by FMFAnyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deed. - 2 John 1:10
[b]1. God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you." 1 Corinthinas 5:13
2. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do ...[text shortened]... olics or Anglicans too? Are they [b]"...part of the Devil’s world" that you mentioned above?[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo disagreeing with "elders" is acceptable as long as it isn't a "serious sin"? Can you give us an example of disagreement with "elders" that is tolerated and not seen as "sin", and also an example of disagreement with "elders" that is seen as "serious sin"?
We do not automatically disfellowship someone who commits a serious sin.
Originally posted by FMFI have made the position clear and will not be answering your tedious questions.
So disagreeing with "elders" is acceptable as long as it isn't a "serious sin"? Can you give us an example of disagreement with "elders" that is tolerated and not seen as "sin", and also an example of disagreement with "elders" that is seen as "serious sin"?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow does this apply to someone who leaves the JW organisation and becomes a Catholic or an Anglican?
Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deed. - 2 John 1:10
Would you shun them?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieStartreader is no more responsible for the sex abuse in the Catholic church than you are responsible for the sex abuse in the JW organisation, right? Indeed, neither of you deserve any blame for it, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses'_handling_of_child_sex_abuse