Originally posted by robbie carrobieThread 162947
i have not favored covering up of child abuse...
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI never, ever, run away. But I have neither the time nor the leisure to spend at your beck and call enabling you to manipulate other posters and divert them from a thread.
you have run away twice, you seem to think that you can come here make serious accusations and simply run away. If you cannot substantiate your claims then why have you made them? Do you normally make claims that you cannot substantiate and then run away when called to do so? You are like those people that shout abuse from the comfort of their cars knowing that they can drive away at any moment.
Today is no exception. I may be able to make the occasional chess move but I won't be back here now today for many hours, maybe even the rest of today. Call it running if you want to. Your name-calling makes nothing as you wish to have it.
Thanks to those genuine well-intentioned posters here. It's a pleasure to meet you.
Originally posted by Startreaderyou make claims then drive away, maybe next time you will be able to substantiate your claims before shouting and driving away.
I never, ever, run away. But I have neither the time nor the leisure to spend at your beck and call enabling you to manipulate other posters and divert them from a thread.
Today is no exception. I may be able to make the occasional chess move but I won't be back here now today for many hours, maybe even the rest of today. Call it running if you want ...[text shortened]... have it.
Thanks to those genuine well-intentioned posters here. It's a pleasure to meet you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould you choose not to receive a Christian like Startreader into your house, and not give her a greeting, for fear that if you did give her a greeting, you would be doing an evil deed?
you make claims then drive away, maybe next time you will be able to substantiate your claims before shouting and driving away.
Originally posted by wolfgang59
The Old Testament is less than 3,000 years old.
Perhaps the oral tradition is 3,500 years old.
The Pyramids are [b]4,500 years old.
The Upper and Lower kingdoms were united 5,000 years ago.
And you think the Egyptians copied the Jews???[/b]
And you think the Egyptians copied the Jews???
1. ) I don't think I said that the Egyptians copied the Jews.
2.) The Old Testament records history going back further than both Jews and Egyptians. So I can understand how some embellishments of very ancient accounts could show up in pre-Jewish writing.
From Babel man scattered over the earth. Oral traditions held for many years traveled with them and underwent embellishments to accommodate for colloquial needs.
I would not be surprised then that pre-Jewish stories bore some similarity to the Hebrews Canon.
We were talking about numbers. And I think people have associated meanings to numbers apart from and outside of the Hebrew Bible.
I mean they certainly noticed things like 5 fingers on two hands, 10 fingers and toes, 24 ribs in the human body, the numerical cycles of the seasons, or even counting bones in skeletons they may have noticed numerical consistencies.
With some philosophizing they speculated special meanings to various numbers. I was not saying numerology was invented by Judeo / Christian theologies.
They were not the only ones to muse "Something seems to be up with these numbers."
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think you'll find that the abusive person in these forums is you.
you have run away twice, you seem to think that you can come here make serious accusations and simply run away. If you cannot substantiate your claims then why have you made them? Do you normally make claims that you cannot substantiate and then run away when called to do so? You are like those people that shout abuse from the comfort of their cars knowing that they can drive away at any moment.
Originally posted by sonship1. It was certainly implied.
1. ) I don't think I said that the Egyptians copied the Jews.
2.) The Old Testament records history going back further than both Jews and Egyptians.
2. No it doesn't.
At best it may record a tradition pre-dating the Egyptians ... but I even doubt that.
Originally posted by wolfgang59At best it may record a tradition pre-dating the Egyptians ... but I even doubt that.
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That's right that it records a tradition pre-dating the Egyptians. It records some matter which the first man passed on to his descendants.
Adam and his wife TOLD their children some things about where they came from, of course.
Explain how man learned to talk.
Explain how animal grunts gradually became meaningful sentences.
3 - in the Bible signifying the Triune God and resurrection.
2 - in the Bible speaking of a testimony. Two cause a testimony.
1 - signifying the one unique God.
4 - as in the four winds, the four corners of the earth, the four living creatures signifies the creation of the creatures.
For is not constructed with 2 + 2 in the Bible but more likely 3 + 1 or 1 + 3.
5 - is a number constructed with 4 + 1 or 1 + 4. It stands for responsibility. God plus the creature to bear responsibility. God being the 1 unique God plus 4 signifying the creature man, together bear responsibility.
God will not do all things unilaterally and alone. He looks for and awaits the cooperation of His creature.
6 - This signifies man usually. For man was created on the 6th day in Genesis 1.
7 - is a number of completion or a full cycle in time. It is usually constructed as either 3 + 4 (the Triune God plus the creation) or 4 + 3 meaning the same OR it is made with 1 + 6 (God added to the created creature man to bring man to Himself). It can also be constructed as 6 + 1.
8 - is the number standing for resurrection as a new beginning. The FIRST day of a new week.
9 - I will have to look up and review from the expert researcher Bullinger.
10 - is a number meaning a full course of time. You will have tribulation 10 days. That is a God ordained full cycle of time. The number 10 can often be divided into 5 + 5. This speaks of divine and human responsibility as a twofold testimony ( I think).
11 - is slightly more than 10 and is a negative number. I think it speaks something of human error.
12 - is perfection in eternity. It is like 7 is to time. But 12 is to eternity. It is made of the mingling of 4 and 3 as a multiplication or 4 x 3. This speaks of the Triune God mingled with man for God's eternal purpose.
13 - I have to review.
There are many other numbers with significance in the Bible.
40, 42 - trial and rest after trial, respectively.
There is also significance to numbers divided in half. The measurement of the tabernacle and the temple are filled with half unites that speak of God and man as equal parts of God's will to dwell on earth in man.