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    I have 7 questions for any christian:

    1- Where in the bible did Jesus claim divinity?
    2- Where in the bible did Jesus ask to be worshipped?
    3- Where did Jesus say I am God Manifested in flesh?
    4- Where did Jesus mention the original sin?
    5- Where did Jesus say I am the Son of God?
    6- Where did Jesus say that I am the Word God?
    7- Where did Jesus say I am the Second Icon God?

    Please I don't want any conclusions or assumptions....
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    03 Nov '06 00:08
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    I have 7 questions for any christian:

    1- Where in the bible did Jesus claim divinity?
    2- Where in the bible did Jesus ask to be worshipped?
    3- Where did Jesus say I am God Manifested in flesh?
    4- Where did Jesus mention the original sin?
    5- Where did Jesus say I am the Son of God?
    6- Where did Jesus say that I am the Word God?
    7- Where did Jesus say I am the Second Icon God?

    Please I don't want any conclusions or assumptions....
    You might find some of these, but clearly not all (perhaps most.)
    But that's not how religions often work.
    It's not the prophet or mystic or leader who develops the theology of the religion, it's their followers who later on, having thought about it, having experienced life after the leader has gone, interprets what they've been through.
    It's this interpretation that Christian theologians have made of Jesus, not Jesus himself.

    Of course, given that I'm an atheist, that could all be a bunch of crap too.
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    03 Nov '06 00:27
    Originally posted by amannion
    You might find some of these, but clearly not all (perhaps most.)
    But that's not how religions often work.
    It's not the prophet or mystic or leader who develops the theology of the religion, it's their followers who later on, having thought about it, having experienced life after the leader has gone, interprets what they've been through.
    It's this interp ...[text shortened]... s himself.

    Of course, given that I'm an atheist, that could all be a bunch of crap too.
    You want to say that Juses followers has discovered that he is GOD after he past away. When exactly that happen.
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    03 Nov '06 00:43
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    You want to say that Juses followers has discovered that he is GOD after he past away. When exactly that happen.
    You'd have to check with someone more up on the early history of the Christian Church but I'd guess this was in the first couple of hundred years after his death ...
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    03 Nov '06 16:09
    Originally posted by amannion
    You might find some of these, but clearly not all (perhaps most.)
    But that's not how religions often work.
    It's not the prophet or mystic or leader who develops the theology of the religion, it's their followers who later on, having thought about it, having experienced life after the leader has gone, interprets what they've been through.
    It's this interp ...[text shortened]... s himself.

    Of course, given that I'm an atheist, that could all be a bunch of crap too.
    Wasn't it at Nicea (4th century) where Jesus was proclaimed divine?

    Before that he was just a man.
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    03 Nov '06 16:35
    Originally posted by sugiezd
    Wasn't it at Nicea (4th century) where Jesus was proclaimed divine?

    Before that he was just a man.
    Exactly

    so Juses was a man for 400 years then he became GOD
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    03 Nov '06 17:53
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    Please I don't want any conclusions or assumptions....
    Then you're being unreasonable.
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    03 Nov '06 18:02
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Then you're being unreasonable.
    So you cann't answer the questions without concslusion or assumptions.

    GOD said many times in the Old Tastment I'm GOD worship me. So no assumptions is required here. I excpect the same for Juses.

    My they are different???
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    03 Nov '06 18:04
    Please I don't want any conclusions or assumptions....[/b]
    I assume that you prefer an exegesis not an eisegesis of Scriptural rebuttal to your proposed questions. Am I correct?
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    03 Nov '06 18:061 edit
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    So you cann't answer the questions without concslusion or assumptions.

    GOD said many times in the Old Tastment I'm GOD worship me. So no assumptions is required here. I excpect the same for Juses.

    My they are different???
    No -- I'm saying it's unreasonable to say that rational conclusions cannot be used.

    If I say "I am a man" and "All men are mortal" it would be unreasonable for you to say that I never held the position "I am mortal" because it is a 'conclusion' from the things I did say.

    Further, if I say "I am a man like any of you" it would be unreasonable for you to say that I never held the position "I am mortal" because it requires an obvious 'assumption'.
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    03 Nov '06 18:10
    Originally posted by ngeisler88
    I assume that you prefer an exegesis not an eisegesis of Scriptural rebuttal to your proposed questions. Am I correct?
    He just wants a verse where Jesus says, "I am God".
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    03 Nov '06 18:11
    Juses
    Out of curiosity and for further knowledge that I may acquire, why do you continue to spell Jesus in that way (excluding the "correct" spelling in your questions)? Is there some implication of cultural context or church history that allows Jesus to be spelled Juses?
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    03 Nov '06 18:121 edit
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    He just wants a verse where Jesus says, "I am God".
    It would be nice if somebody could answer his questions simply and directly, either with direct quotes or explanations, or just links to explanations, of how those conclusions about Jesus were reached.

    I would if I could.
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    03 Nov '06 20:30
    It seems that my spelling mistaks and English is more important than the questions themselves.

    Any way I explained why I don't want conlusions because GOD declared it several times in the Old tastment.

    And I know that Jesus was considered a man for 400 years.

    So if he is realy GOD why he didn't say that.

    I hope any one answer the questions?
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    03 Nov '06 20:37
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    He just wants a verse where Jesus says, "I am God".
    Yes that is exactly what I want
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