Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you don't have a verse where Jesus makes a claim about 'ALL Christians'. We got there in the end.
so what, the sermon on the mount was primarily delivered to the apostles , Christ did not specify that it was for all Christians yet it is clear that it is. Many of the illustrations were delivered only to the apostles yet are we to conclude that they are only relevant to them? hardly i don't think any Christian would acquiesce to such an unfounded ...[text shortened]... mport, and thus your case falls apart and can now be found, smoldering on the forum floor. RIP.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe AWAKE magazine speaks again.
more lamebo excuses! give it up Hinds, Jesus said that he would be with those who were teaching and preaching until the conclusion of the system, the gift were temporary as has been pointed out to you, these are the facts.
Will you tell Jesus when he returns and asks for the talent that he gave you, ummm, it wasn't my calling, i didn't feel like i ...[text shortened]... led you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
are you no part of this nation Jonah Hinds?
1 Peter 2:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
This obviously was only a limited number of people.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobHis example and teaching as well as that of the apostles are incumbent upon all Christians and your insistence that they are not is quite ludicrous and I find the inclination to look at Scripture in so narrow minded a fashion quite disturbing as if Christs teaching is the sole denominator in a Christian's understanding of the whole Bible. Perhaps its a reflection of having reduced your search for truth to unintelligent agencies that is also causing you to look at Scripture in a similar way, out of context, in isolation and demanding that it have a narrow perspective, who can say?
So you don't have a verse where Jesus makes a claim about 'ALL Christians'. We got there in the end.
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Originally posted by RJHindsWhy? you have not said and as your word is no good we have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. A nation is generally considered to be referring to all people in that nation. Where does it say that it is only with reference to specific Christians those with the so called calling.
The AWAKE magazine speaks again.
1 Peter 2:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
[b]But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
This obviously was only a limited number of people.[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour Watchtower false prophets and teachers are trying to teach something that is not in the text. The reference is for those people to join together to make a nation and you know that the people of a nation have to do a variety of tasks to form a nation. They can not do that if all of them are travelling the world as missionary evangelists. Some must stay home and be pastors, and teachers, and laborers, and farmers, and physicians, and husbands and wives, etc.
Why? you have not said and as your word is no good we have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. A nation is generally considered to be referring to all people in that nation. Where does it say that it is only with reference to specific Christians those with the so called calling.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo you have no reason to offer other than the ramblings of your gargantuan ego. As for falsehoods, lying and deception you yourself have been caught undoubtedly using a chess engine pretending to be knowledgeable and strong chess player I would therfore need to acknowledge your superior experience of all things deceptive, fraudulent and underhanded. No one has any reason to believe a word you say.
Your Watchtower false prophets and teachers are trying to teach something that is not in the text. The reference is for those people to join together to make a nation and you know that the people of a nation have to do a variety of tasks to form a nation. They can not do that if all of them are travelling the world as missionary evangelists. Some must sta ...[text shortened]... e pastors, and teachers, and laborers, and farmers, and physicians, and husbands and wives, etc.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAd hominem attack is all you got.
So you have no reason to offer other than the ramblings of your gargantuan ego. As for falsehoods, lying and deception you yourself have been caught undoubtedly using a chess engine pretending to be knowledgeable and strong chess player I would therfore need to acknowledge your superior experience of all things deceptive, fraudulent and underhanded. No one has any reason to believe a word you say.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe only thing I'm insisting on is a verse to back your claim, if your claim requires another one of your 'harmonising' techniques then that's okay. I was only curious, I have no horse in this race remember.
His example and teaching as well as that of the apostles are incumbent upon all Christians and your insistence that they are not is quite ludicrous and I find the inclination to look at Scripture in so narrow minded a fashion quite disturbing as if Christs teaching is the sole denominator in a Christian's understanding of the whole Bible. Perhaps it ...[text shortened]... y, out of context, in isolation and demanding that it have a narrow perspective, who can say?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI am at work and I loathe texting from smartphone, reasons have been given demonstrating just why Christ's words apply to all Christians that the words in Matthew were given to a relatively small number is irrelevant the content reveals that it was intended for a much greater audience after all it would be unreasonable to expect 11 individuals to give a witness to the entire inhabited earth. The fact that the system has not ended and that Christ states that he will be with those who engage in the work long after the apostles have died. Your entire argument rests upon the false premise that he did not say All Christians and once again we are back to reasoning on what is not written rather than what is. If you can provide a single valid scriptural reason why it does not apply to all Christians then do so, so far all those that have been proffered are demolished in the weight of scriptural evidence.
The only thing I'm insisting on is a verse to back your claim, if your claim requires another one of your 'harmonising' techniques then that's okay. I was only curious, I have no horse in this race remember.