Originally posted by CritaThank you for explaining this. I felt the same way, but I couldn't find adequate words to articulate my position.
It's not a question of tolerating their behaviour or 'saying that it is acceptable', it's about respecting their right to exercise their free will and not judging them for it.
It is always considered virtuous to refrain from passing judgement.
Originally posted by wittywonkaNot a problem. (I'd like to say 'any time' but I'm rarely that lucid! lol)
Thank you for explaining this. I felt the same way, but I couldn't find adequate words to articulate my position.
I almost didn't post it (I seldom post in the Spirituality forum anymore) but then something* prompted me to.
Glad I could help 🙂
* I would say God prompted me, but this would only illicit a scathing rhetoric from scottishinnz or Dr Scribbles et al)
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesOops! I thought adultery was the 6th and murder the 7th. My bad.
I see. It sounds like you're saying that there is a natural moral law that supersedes God's Commandments, if they have a right to violate the Seventh Commandment which you are compelled to respect.
No, that's not what I'm saying and I apologise for making it sound like that's what I was saying. There are certainly some natural physical urges (i.e. freaking) that are acceptable in certain contexts (i.e. marriage) but not in others. That doesn't mean that they supersede God's commandments or guidance. The very reason God's commandments/guidance exist is to show us how to best live and in how to 'control' (for lack of a better word) the natural urges in a way that will prevent us from hurting ourselves or others and provide us with the highest level of satisfaction from those urges.
In a nut shell - just because I feel like murdering someone, I'm not going to, because I trust God and that He wants the best for me and He has advised me not to do it.
And the fact that I feel 'compelled to respect' a commandment that someone else doesn't, that doesn't mean I should judge them for it or that I am any better than them.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesDeuteronomy 4:13 (New International Version)
I see. It sounds like you're saying that there is a natural moral law that supersedes God's Commandments, if they have a right to violate the Seventh Commandment which you are compelled to respect.
"He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets."
Where does it say that we must impose the ten commandments onto people of other faiths, and that if they do not accept them, that we should become intolerant of their religion? It simply commands us to follow them, not to disrespect those who do not.
If your interpretation of this verse is to show no tolerance towards people of other faiths, so be it. I'll show tolerance to your interpretation, even if I do not agree with it.
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Originally posted by CritaWhich supersedes which: the Seventh Commandment, or the right to violate the Seventh Commandment?
Oops! I thought adultery was the 6th and murder the 7th. My bad.
No, that's not what I'm saying and I apologise for making it sound like that's what I was saying. There are certainly some natural physical urges (i.e. freaking) that are acceptable in certain contexts (i.e. marriage) but not in others. That doesn't mean that they supersede God's commandments 't, that doesn't mean I should judge them for it or that I am any better than them.
Originally posted by CritaBecause? That's really the reason you have to not murder? If God hadn't commanded against it, you would murder when you feel the urge?
In a nut shell - just because I feel like murdering someone, I'm not going to, because I trust God and that He wants the best for me and He has advised me not to do it.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI see your point. Just quickly, let's apply the same analogy to freaking. In that case, yes, I most definitely would have done the horizontal mambo with my girlfriend many many times. 😛
[b]Because? That's really the reason you have to not murder? If God hadn't commanded against it, you would murder when you feel the urge?[/b]
Ok, back to murder - no, I wouldn't murder someone even if God hadn't commanded me too because I have some sort of inner 'natural morality' that says it is wrong (everyone has it, but it differs from person to person).
In the case of freaking, my inner natural morality would say it's OK to freak with my girlfriend, but not with her best friend.
Originally posted by CritaOh, thank God. If you were Abraham, you wouldn't have taken your son to the altar then, correct?
Ok, back to murder - no, I wouldn't murder someone even if God hadn't commanded me too because I have some sort of inner 'natural morality' that says it is wrong (everyone has it, but it differs from person to person).